1 00:00:01,801 --> 00:00:05,705 (drink trickling) (soft music) 2 00:00:08,842 --> 00:00:12,278 (glasses clinking) 3 00:00:12,312 --> 00:00:14,447 - [Narrator] Darcy Weir is an independent researcher 4 00:00:14,481 --> 00:00:16,649 and filmmaker who has traveled around the world 5 00:00:16,683 --> 00:00:18,084 to study the UFO phenomenon. 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,690 - [Darcy] Back in August of 2020, under a shroud 7 00:00:23,723 --> 00:00:28,128 of secrecy, the UAP task force was clandestinely brought 8 00:00:28,161 --> 00:00:30,530 into existence within the shadows 9 00:00:30,563 --> 00:00:34,467 of the enigmatic US Department of Defense. 10 00:00:34,501 --> 00:00:37,303 The purpose of the UAP task force, 11 00:00:37,337 --> 00:00:40,507 to delve into the enigma surrounding reports 12 00:00:40,540 --> 00:00:43,676 of unidentified aerial phenomenon. 13 00:00:43,710 --> 00:00:46,780 Those elusive apparition like flying objects, 14 00:00:46,813 --> 00:00:51,217 more colloquially dubbed as UFOs. 15 00:00:51,251 --> 00:00:55,121 Surprisingly, rumors were abuzz 16 00:00:55,155 --> 00:00:58,725 in the intelligence community of military encounters 17 00:00:58,758 --> 00:01:03,596 with craft that demonstrated transmedium capabilities. 18 00:01:03,630 --> 00:01:08,334 In 2021, the intelligence community had a widely circulated 19 00:01:08,868 --> 00:01:13,139 report of UAPs that were photographed in years prior. 20 00:01:13,173 --> 00:01:15,608 One said object that was included 21 00:01:15,642 --> 00:01:19,879 in the report was photographed in 2019 22 00:01:19,913 --> 00:01:22,982 by an F-18 fighter pilot and described 23 00:01:23,016 --> 00:01:25,752 as a large equilateral triangle 24 00:01:25,785 --> 00:01:28,721 with rounded or blunted edges 25 00:01:28,755 --> 00:01:33,526 and large perfectly spherical white lights in each corner. 26 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,397 This triangular craft was said to emerge from the ocean 27 00:01:37,430 --> 00:01:40,133 and then began to ascend straight upwards 28 00:01:40,166 --> 00:01:42,469 at a 90 degree angle. 29 00:01:42,502 --> 00:01:45,672 UAP that have originated in the ocean, 30 00:01:45,705 --> 00:01:49,509 that have been described by navy submarines 31 00:01:49,542 --> 00:01:52,846 and other personnel within the military have been described 32 00:01:52,879 --> 00:01:55,548 by the UFO community for decades 33 00:01:55,582 --> 00:01:59,986 as USOs, unidentified submerged objects. 34 00:02:00,019 --> 00:02:01,354 You know, that the fact 35 00:02:01,387 --> 00:02:05,725 of an object not seemingly being affected by going 36 00:02:05,758 --> 00:02:08,661 from one medium, air to another medium, water. 37 00:02:11,397 --> 00:02:14,734 There are cases of these objects entering without a splash. 38 00:02:16,236 --> 00:02:18,738 Sometimes there is a splash, sometimes there isn't. 39 00:02:18,771 --> 00:02:21,407 It could be whether a certain field is on or not though, 40 00:02:23,309 --> 00:02:26,746 and not necessarily slowing down at all 41 00:02:26,779 --> 00:02:28,815 when they enter the water. 42 00:02:28,848 --> 00:02:33,353 - [Darcy] The United States Navy secretly classifis USOs 43 00:02:33,887 --> 00:02:38,224 as fast movers, which display remarkable speeds 44 00:02:38,258 --> 00:02:41,127 and agility beyond the capabilities 45 00:02:41,161 --> 00:02:44,464 of known human made submersibles. 46 00:02:45,064 --> 00:02:47,901 These sightings and detections have peaked the interest 47 00:02:47,934 --> 00:02:50,570 of the UAP task force, 48 00:02:50,603 --> 00:02:54,040 and it seems they have been cataloging the transmedium 49 00:02:54,073 --> 00:02:56,509 capabilities of these objects 50 00:02:56,543 --> 00:02:58,244 for the intelligence community and the DoD. 51 00:03:01,848 --> 00:03:03,950 (upbeat music) 52 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,162 The story begins with the GoFast UAP video and NASA's- 53 00:03:16,196 --> 00:03:18,932 - UAP evidence. 54 00:03:18,965 --> 00:03:20,600 But part of our statement of task is 55 00:03:20,633 --> 00:03:23,803 to assess the scientific analysis techniques 56 00:03:23,836 --> 00:03:26,306 that are available and how we might use them 57 00:03:26,339 --> 00:03:27,939 to determine physical constraints on UAP. 58 00:03:30,877 --> 00:03:32,445 You know, the UAP reports 59 00:03:32,478 --> 00:03:35,114 with the most detailed contextual information are the ones 60 00:03:35,148 --> 00:03:37,350 from the Navy aviators with known separation 61 00:03:37,383 --> 00:03:39,886 in time, you can figure out how far it moved. 62 00:03:39,919 --> 00:03:42,689 And in this case, this object moved about 390 meters 63 00:03:42,722 --> 00:03:46,559 in 22 seconds, and that corresponds 64 00:03:46,593 --> 00:03:49,562 to a velocity of just 40 miles per hour. 65 00:03:49,596 --> 00:03:51,497 This is a parallax effect case. 66 00:03:54,801 --> 00:03:55,768 Thank you. 67 00:03:55,802 --> 00:03:58,438 - My questions regarding this phenomena led me 68 00:03:58,471 --> 00:04:00,673 to American Oceanographer 69 00:04:00,707 --> 00:04:04,510 and retired rear Admiral, Tim Gallaudet. 70 00:04:04,544 --> 00:04:08,581 How long did you serve for the Navy and worked for NOAA? 71 00:04:08,615 --> 00:04:10,416 - I served in the Navy for 32 years, 72 00:04:10,450 --> 00:04:12,819 and I then worked for NOAA 73 00:04:12,852 --> 00:04:15,888 after that for about three and a half years. 74 00:04:15,922 --> 00:04:20,393 - While you were serving in the Navy, you had an encounter, 75 00:04:20,426 --> 00:04:26,699 well, you witnessed something while aboard a ship 76 00:04:26,899 --> 00:04:30,737 or while were you at, you know, a Navy office 77 00:04:30,770 --> 00:04:32,472 when you saw this video? 78 00:04:32,505 --> 00:04:34,774 Right, so I was in my office 79 00:04:34,807 --> 00:04:38,745 and the situation was, I was the commander 80 00:04:38,778 --> 00:04:42,248 of all the US Navy's meteorologists and oceanographers. 81 00:04:42,282 --> 00:04:45,018 And so my job was to oversee them 82 00:04:45,051 --> 00:04:48,021 and they deployed on various ships for training 83 00:04:48,054 --> 00:04:50,523 and for operations. 84 00:04:50,556 --> 00:04:54,560 And during 2015, the Navy was conducting a large exercise 85 00:04:54,594 --> 00:04:58,831 off the US East Coast involving the USS Theodore Roosevelt. 86 00:04:58,865 --> 00:05:02,535 And I received an email on the Navy's secret network, 87 00:05:03,836 --> 00:05:07,874 and it was from my boss at US Fleet Forces Command, 88 00:05:08,908 --> 00:05:11,878 the operations officer that worked for him, 89 00:05:11,911 --> 00:05:14,247 two star Admiral, overseeing this exercise 90 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:15,815 and the title 91 00:05:15,848 --> 00:05:19,819 of the email was "Urgent Safety Of Flight Issue." 92 00:05:19,852 --> 00:05:22,455 And in the body of the email, he was very brief 93 00:05:22,488 --> 00:05:25,558 and said, "If any of you," 94 00:05:25,591 --> 00:05:27,126 and there were about 20 other admirals, 95 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,262 and one and two stars addressed 96 00:05:29,295 --> 00:05:32,665 that were under the US Fleet Forces command, 97 00:05:32,699 --> 00:05:37,003 "If any of you know what these are, tell me ASAP 98 00:05:37,036 --> 00:05:40,640 because we're having numerous near mid-air collisions 99 00:05:40,673 --> 00:05:43,076 and we might have to cancel the exercise." 100 00:05:43,109 --> 00:05:46,746 And attached was the now famous and leaked GoFast video. 101 00:05:48,448 --> 00:05:50,950 (static hissing) 102 00:05:59,058 --> 00:06:00,736 - [Official] Tango, six one, Tango, object (indistinct). 103 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,630 - [Official 2] Oh, got it! (laughs) 104 00:06:04,664 --> 00:06:08,801 - [Official] Roger, there's trouble shooting (indistinct). 105 00:06:08,835 --> 00:06:11,671 - [Official 2] You got smoking target. 106 00:06:11,704 --> 00:06:13,224 - No, I took an auto track. - Oh, okay. 107 00:06:14,307 --> 00:06:16,909 Oh my gosh, dude. Wow. 108 00:06:16,943 --> 00:06:20,279 - [Official] What is that, man? Look at it fly. 109 00:06:20,947 --> 00:06:25,952 - Of course I was surprised, but I knew then and there 110 00:06:25,985 --> 00:06:27,830 that we didn't have technology that could do that. 111 00:06:27,854 --> 00:06:32,625 And I knew it wasn't an adversary's capability 112 00:06:32,658 --> 00:06:35,061 because that was a US training range, 113 00:06:35,094 --> 00:06:37,029 which is strictly controlled 114 00:06:37,063 --> 00:06:41,567 and we would not have allowed any ship, foreign ship 115 00:06:41,601 --> 00:06:43,870 to deploy something like that. 116 00:06:43,903 --> 00:06:47,707 And so we had monitored that range very strictly. 117 00:06:47,740 --> 00:06:50,777 And so I received that email and I knew then 118 00:06:50,810 --> 00:06:53,880 that this was likely extraterrestrial origin 119 00:06:53,913 --> 00:06:56,849 that people have long speculated about. 120 00:06:56,883 --> 00:06:59,752 And I called in my deputy, he was a senior civilian, 121 00:06:59,786 --> 00:07:02,755 and he and I spoke at length about this, 122 00:07:02,789 --> 00:07:05,425 and we were surprised, but a little bit not surprised 123 00:07:05,458 --> 00:07:07,827 because of all that's been coming out. 124 00:07:07,860 --> 00:07:12,198 And the more interesting thing is the next day it was wiped 125 00:07:12,432 --> 00:07:15,401 from my computer and my deputy's 126 00:07:15,435 --> 00:07:18,538 and everybody else who was on the email. 127 00:07:18,571 --> 00:07:21,941 And so I knew then that I surmised 128 00:07:21,974 --> 00:07:23,252 that this must have been in some kind 129 00:07:23,276 --> 00:07:25,845 of compartmented program 130 00:07:25,878 --> 00:07:27,780 and that this two star admiral had sent it 131 00:07:27,814 --> 00:07:30,283 to us, he didn't know about it 132 00:07:30,316 --> 00:07:34,187 and then whoever was in control of this program found out, 133 00:07:34,220 --> 00:07:37,323 and they of course withdrew all the information. 134 00:07:37,356 --> 00:07:39,325 And what was interesting 135 00:07:39,358 --> 00:07:42,562 to me though is I was the chief meteorologist in the Navy, 136 00:07:42,595 --> 00:07:44,997 and my job was safety of flight 137 00:07:45,031 --> 00:07:48,067 for whenever air operations are going on 138 00:07:48,100 --> 00:07:50,837 that my meteorologists were forecasting for those. 139 00:07:50,870 --> 00:07:52,114 And so this was a real top priority for me. 140 00:07:52,138 --> 00:07:53,673 And I could not- 141 00:07:53,706 --> 00:07:55,517 - [Darcy] Like flights off of aircraft carriers, 142 00:07:55,541 --> 00:07:57,743 flights off of whatever. 143 00:07:57,777 --> 00:08:00,112 - Airfield off the land airfield training 144 00:08:00,146 --> 00:08:03,483 or aircraft carriers, both in training events like this one 145 00:08:03,516 --> 00:08:05,952 or deployed overseas, which I have done. 146 00:08:05,985 --> 00:08:07,820 I've served on a Navy aircraft carrier. 147 00:08:07,854 --> 00:08:11,858 And so what what was surprising is 148 00:08:11,891 --> 00:08:14,794 that I met with my commander and his staff 149 00:08:14,827 --> 00:08:16,462 and all the other subordinate commanders 150 00:08:16,496 --> 00:08:19,365 that were on this email thread every month. 151 00:08:19,398 --> 00:08:21,534 And the next meeting and the next, the next, 152 00:08:21,567 --> 00:08:23,636 none of this was ever talked about. 153 00:08:23,669 --> 00:08:26,706 I mean, we almost canceled a major exercise required 154 00:08:26,739 --> 00:08:30,142 to deploy overseas to the fifth fleet. 155 00:08:30,176 --> 00:08:33,813 And these are so structured and the timing is so compressed 156 00:08:34,914 --> 00:08:37,917 that to do so is a real major deal. 157 00:08:37,950 --> 00:08:39,986 The four star knew for sure. 158 00:08:40,019 --> 00:08:41,930 He probably reported to the chief of naval operations 159 00:08:41,954 --> 00:08:44,490 and no one ever talked about it. 160 00:08:44,524 --> 00:08:45,491 I couldn't believe it. 161 00:08:45,525 --> 00:08:47,627 But again, I figured it was 162 00:08:47,660 --> 00:08:50,096 in some intelligence communities black program 163 00:08:50,129 --> 00:08:52,465 and that's why no one talked about it. 164 00:08:52,498 --> 00:08:55,801 But then, you know, after I got outta the Navy 165 00:08:55,835 --> 00:08:58,046 and the government, that's when I began speaking up about it 166 00:08:58,070 --> 00:09:00,840 and it had already been leaked in the New York Times. 167 00:09:00,873 --> 00:09:03,342 - Okay, so this was 2015, you saw this. 168 00:09:03,376 --> 00:09:06,012 You were in service. 169 00:09:06,045 --> 00:09:10,783 Do you think the gentleman within the Navy who shared 170 00:09:10,816 --> 00:09:14,820 that email got reprimanded for doing so? 171 00:09:14,854 --> 00:09:16,656 - Oh, I have no way of knowing. I doubt it. 172 00:09:16,689 --> 00:09:20,293 This is a real fine officer with impeccable integrity. 173 00:09:20,326 --> 00:09:21,961 He was just doing his job 174 00:09:21,994 --> 00:09:24,864 and well, I mean, so I would not know. 175 00:09:24,897 --> 00:09:28,801 But his boss was a very, I won't name names, 176 00:09:28,834 --> 00:09:30,736 but the four star who was his boss, 177 00:09:30,770 --> 00:09:36,175 US Fleet Forces commander, no matter 178 00:09:36,208 --> 00:09:38,344 what intelligence community official, he woulde stood 179 00:09:38,377 --> 00:09:40,379 by his people. 180 00:09:40,413 --> 00:09:44,016 He was a great leader. I highly doubt it. 181 00:09:44,050 --> 00:09:45,952 Because, I mean, his boss, the four star, 182 00:09:45,985 --> 00:09:47,796 he would never reprimand him for something like that. 183 00:09:47,820 --> 00:09:50,256 That's doing his job, safety of flight. 184 00:09:50,289 --> 00:09:54,660 - But you knew that it's in the middle of the ocean. 185 00:09:54,694 --> 00:09:58,564 It's not a drone because drones need more fuel 186 00:09:58,598 --> 00:10:01,400 and more, let's say battery. 187 00:10:01,434 --> 00:10:04,270 - Well, it was a small circular object. 188 00:10:04,303 --> 00:10:06,248 It had none of the features of any of the drones operating 189 00:10:06,272 --> 00:10:08,741 in the US inventory or any of our adversaries. 190 00:10:08,774 --> 00:10:11,410 So it's definitely not a human made drone 191 00:10:11,444 --> 00:10:13,813 in the appearance of it. 192 00:10:13,846 --> 00:10:16,148 - Yeah, could have been a non-human intelligence drone 193 00:10:16,182 --> 00:10:17,617 though, for all we know. 194 00:10:17,650 --> 00:10:20,920 - Well, now we know after this historic hearing. 195 00:10:20,953 --> 00:10:24,056 Yes, in all likelihood, it was. 196 00:10:24,090 --> 00:10:26,559 - I'll now recognize Mr. Graves for five minutes 197 00:10:26,592 --> 00:10:29,028 for your opening statement. 198 00:10:29,061 --> 00:10:32,798 - Thank you, Chairman Grothman, ranking member Garcia, 199 00:10:32,832 --> 00:10:35,267 distinguished members of the House Oversight Subcommittee 200 00:10:35,301 --> 00:10:37,870 on National Security, Representative Burchett and Luna. 201 00:10:38,604 --> 00:10:40,272 My name is Ryan FOBS Graves, 202 00:10:40,306 --> 00:10:41,841 and I'm a former F-18 pilot 203 00:10:41,874 --> 00:10:43,542 with a decade of service in the US Navy, 204 00:10:43,576 --> 00:10:44,710 including two deployments 205 00:10:44,744 --> 00:10:46,078 in Operation Enduring Freedom 206 00:10:46,112 --> 00:10:48,214 and Operation Inherent Resolve. 207 00:10:48,247 --> 00:10:50,416 I have experienced advanced UAP firsthand, 208 00:10:50,449 --> 00:10:52,151 and I'm here to voice the concerns 209 00:10:52,184 --> 00:10:54,396 of more than 30 commercial air crew and military veterans 210 00:10:54,420 --> 00:10:56,922 who have confided their similar encounters with me. 211 00:10:56,956 --> 00:11:00,126 In 2014, I was an F-18 Foxtrot pilot 212 00:11:00,159 --> 00:11:04,130 in the Navy Fighter Attack Squadron 11, the Red Rippers, 213 00:11:04,163 --> 00:11:07,733 and I was stationed at NAS Oceana in Virginia Beach. 214 00:11:07,767 --> 00:11:09,902 After upgrades were made to our jet's radar systems, 215 00:11:09,935 --> 00:11:11,279 we began detecting unknown objects operating 216 00:11:11,303 --> 00:11:12,772 in our airspace. 217 00:11:12,805 --> 00:11:15,207 At first, we assumed they were radar errors, 218 00:11:15,241 --> 00:11:17,510 but soon we began to correlate the radar tracks 219 00:11:17,543 --> 00:11:19,721 with multiple onboard sensors, including infrared systems, 220 00:11:19,745 --> 00:11:22,048 eventually through visual ID. 221 00:11:22,081 --> 00:11:24,617 During a training mission in warning area Whiskey-72, 222 00:11:24,650 --> 00:11:26,952 10 miles off the coast of Virginia Beach, 223 00:11:26,986 --> 00:11:29,922 two F-18 Super Hornets were split by a UAP. 224 00:11:29,955 --> 00:11:33,225 The object described as a dark gray or a black cube inside 225 00:11:33,259 --> 00:11:36,262 of a clear sphere came within 50 feet of the lead aircraft 226 00:11:36,295 --> 00:11:39,398 and was estimated to be five to 15 feet in diameter. 227 00:11:39,432 --> 00:11:40,876 The mission commander terminated the flight immediately 228 00:11:40,900 --> 00:11:42,868 and returned to base. 229 00:11:42,902 --> 00:11:45,204 Our squadron submitted a safety report, 230 00:11:45,237 --> 00:11:46,915 but there was no official acknowledgement of the incident 231 00:11:46,939 --> 00:11:49,341 and no further mechanism to report the sightings. 232 00:11:49,375 --> 00:11:50,919 Soon these encounters became so frequent 233 00:11:50,943 --> 00:11:52,344 that aircrew would discuss the risk 234 00:11:52,378 --> 00:11:55,848 of UAP as part of their regular pre-flight briefs. 235 00:11:55,881 --> 00:11:57,583 - And there were many of them, by the way. 236 00:11:57,616 --> 00:11:59,418 - Ryan Graves was saying 237 00:11:59,452 --> 00:12:00,962 that these were showing up on your sensors for days. 238 00:12:00,986 --> 00:12:02,188 - Right. 239 00:12:02,221 --> 00:12:04,824 In fact, this was the exact time 240 00:12:04,857 --> 00:12:06,992 Ryan Graves was flying. 241 00:12:07,026 --> 00:12:09,995 He was flying off the Theodore Roosevelt 242 00:12:10,029 --> 00:12:11,864 and so these were the objects he was seeing 243 00:12:11,897 --> 00:12:13,632 when he was flying. 244 00:12:13,666 --> 00:12:18,504 - Do you think the Navy knows, like generals 245 00:12:18,537 --> 00:12:23,242 and servicemen are well aware of UAPs 246 00:12:23,275 --> 00:12:28,080 or USOs, unidentified submerged objects in our oceans? 247 00:12:28,814 --> 00:12:30,983 - I've talked to a few retired officers 248 00:12:31,016 --> 00:12:35,087 who have seen sonar signatures of these 249 00:12:35,121 --> 00:12:37,923 that can't be explained by anything made by our navy 250 00:12:37,957 --> 00:12:40,292 or our adversary navies. 251 00:12:40,326 --> 00:12:42,828 And so obviously there's a working level knowledge. 252 00:12:42,862 --> 00:12:46,098 It's not throughout the fleet, 253 00:12:46,132 --> 00:12:49,135 but there are known occurrences. 254 00:12:49,168 --> 00:12:53,172 I also have been talking to this growing community 255 00:12:53,205 --> 00:12:57,977 of experts, people like Lou Elizondo and Chris Mellon. 256 00:12:58,010 --> 00:13:00,412 I've even published an article with Chris Mellon 257 00:13:00,446 --> 00:13:02,748 and they know and have interviewed people 258 00:13:02,782 --> 00:13:04,784 who seen these objects either 259 00:13:04,817 --> 00:13:06,752 on their sensor data or visually. 260 00:13:07,086 --> 00:13:10,289 - Mr. Fravor, do you believe 261 00:13:10,322 --> 00:13:12,558 that you witnessed an additional object under the water 262 00:13:12,591 --> 00:13:14,360 in relation to your encounter? 263 00:13:15,628 --> 00:13:17,196 - I will say we did not see an object. 264 00:13:17,229 --> 00:13:19,007 There was something there to cause the whitewater, 265 00:13:19,031 --> 00:13:20,800 and when we turned around, it was gone. 266 00:13:20,833 --> 00:13:23,002 So there was something there that obviously moved. 267 00:13:23,035 --> 00:13:25,004 - Okay, but it was not the same object though 268 00:13:25,037 --> 00:13:27,473 that you were looking at, correct? 269 00:13:27,506 --> 00:13:29,551 - No, we actually joked that the Tic-Tac was communicating 270 00:13:29,575 --> 00:13:31,677 with something when we came back 271 00:13:31,710 --> 00:13:33,070 and because whitewater disappeared. 272 00:13:34,246 --> 00:13:36,849 - Obviously, you're very interested 273 00:13:36,882 --> 00:13:40,052 in what's going on in our oceans, right? 274 00:13:40,085 --> 00:13:44,723 So have you ever heard of the term being discussed 275 00:13:44,757 --> 00:13:48,194 by even these retired navy men of what's called fast movers? 276 00:13:48,227 --> 00:13:48,994 - I have. 277 00:13:49,028 --> 00:13:51,897 And no, I can't confirm 278 00:13:51,931 --> 00:13:54,867 there is an official program like that. 279 00:13:54,900 --> 00:13:58,037 I don't have working knowledge of it, 280 00:13:58,070 --> 00:14:02,341 but I've talked to people who do, and I'll just say that. 281 00:14:02,374 --> 00:14:04,777 - Technically anything they've spoken 282 00:14:04,810 --> 00:14:07,913 to you about is completely classified 283 00:14:07,947 --> 00:14:11,283 and you're not at liberty to discuss that. 284 00:14:11,317 --> 00:14:12,885 - Right. 285 00:14:12,918 --> 00:14:14,529 And look just like all the UAP information 286 00:14:14,553 --> 00:14:18,490 that Dave Grusch has been coming forward with, 287 00:14:18,524 --> 00:14:22,595 so that right now, all of that has not been disclosed. 288 00:14:22,628 --> 00:14:23,963 - It's classified. - Yeah. 289 00:14:23,996 --> 00:14:25,574 - Do you have any personal knowledge of people 290 00:14:25,598 --> 00:14:28,500 who have been harmed or injured in efforts to cover up 291 00:14:28,534 --> 00:14:30,903 or conceal these extraterrestrial technology? 292 00:14:30,936 --> 00:14:35,741 - Yes, personally. 293 00:14:35,774 --> 00:14:38,043 - Have you heard anyone been murdered 294 00:14:38,077 --> 00:14:41,113 that you know of or have heard of, I guess? 295 00:14:41,146 --> 00:14:43,148 - I have to be careful asking that question. 296 00:14:43,182 --> 00:14:44,750 I directed people with that knowledge 297 00:14:44,783 --> 00:14:45,994 to the appropriate authorities. 298 00:14:46,018 --> 00:14:49,021 - Maybe if we could get it 299 00:14:49,054 --> 00:14:53,659 in a confidential area of SCIF, we could talk about that 300 00:14:53,692 --> 00:14:57,396 but unfortunately, we were denied access to the SCIF 301 00:14:58,998 --> 00:15:00,900 and that's very unfortunate in this scenario. 302 00:15:02,968 --> 00:15:05,604 - In the pursuit to uncover more 303 00:15:05,638 --> 00:15:08,474 about a supposed fast mover program 304 00:15:08,507 --> 00:15:12,244 within the Navy, I was led 305 00:15:12,278 --> 00:15:16,048 to Mark D'Antonio, an astronomer photo and video analyst 306 00:15:17,182 --> 00:15:21,153 for MUFON Mutual UFO Network. 307 00:15:21,186 --> 00:15:24,423 Mark would share with me his experience 308 00:15:24,456 --> 00:15:28,794 with a USO while aboard a navy submarine. 309 00:15:28,827 --> 00:15:33,465 Now, I heard through the grapevine that you had a experience 310 00:15:33,499 --> 00:15:39,338 with what some people call a fast mover in the Navy. 311 00:15:39,872 --> 00:15:41,116 - Yeah, I can tell you about that. 312 00:15:41,140 --> 00:15:42,441 - Can you tell me 313 00:15:42,474 --> 00:15:46,745 about first possible like navy encounters 314 00:15:46,779 --> 00:15:49,915 with what are described as USOs? 315 00:15:49,949 --> 00:15:52,184 - Yeah, I mean, USOs are really important 316 00:15:52,217 --> 00:15:54,286 unknown submersible objects. 317 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:59,325 And that what happened years earlier in the Atlantic Ocean. 318 00:16:00,059 --> 00:16:03,362 Decades ago, that's plural, decades ago, 319 00:16:03,395 --> 00:16:05,464 I was doing some work for the Navy, I still do work 320 00:16:05,497 --> 00:16:08,334 for the Navy, and I was asked if I wanted 321 00:16:08,367 --> 00:16:12,671 to go on a submarine for a little trip so I did. 322 00:16:12,705 --> 00:16:15,474 And while on that sub, that one only time I ever went 323 00:16:15,507 --> 00:16:19,011 on a sub for this trip, I got seasick of course, 324 00:16:19,044 --> 00:16:22,281 because I'm not a sailor. 325 00:16:22,314 --> 00:16:24,917 And so when I got on the boat, I was just hoping 326 00:16:24,950 --> 00:16:27,419 to keep my stomach intact. 327 00:16:27,453 --> 00:16:30,489 On the surface, they roll like you can't believe, you know, 328 00:16:30,522 --> 00:16:33,359 especially when there's a storm passing through, hello. 329 00:16:33,392 --> 00:16:35,236 But when they're underwater, it feels like this right here. 330 00:16:35,260 --> 00:16:36,929 You don't know you're moving, 331 00:16:36,962 --> 00:16:38,864 then you might feel a little vibration. 332 00:16:38,897 --> 00:16:40,666 Okay, it goes through your feet 333 00:16:40,699 --> 00:16:43,736 as it changed water temperature or whatever, but that's it. 334 00:16:43,769 --> 00:16:49,641 So once we were smooth, I went and sat in a sonar shack, 335 00:16:49,675 --> 00:16:51,677 which is four consoles. 336 00:16:51,710 --> 00:16:53,379 The first console was manned. 337 00:16:53,412 --> 00:16:55,781 The second console, third and fourth were not. 338 00:16:55,814 --> 00:16:57,158 I asked if I could sit in the second 339 00:16:57,182 --> 00:16:58,083 and they said, "Yes, just don't touch anything." 340 00:16:58,117 --> 00:16:59,518 "I won't touch it." 341 00:17:00,619 --> 00:17:01,963 And so I sat there trying to regain my stomach 342 00:17:01,987 --> 00:17:03,956 and I sat there like this going, 343 00:17:03,989 --> 00:17:06,258 okay, don't throw up on the captain's shoes. 344 00:17:06,291 --> 00:17:07,960 We're gonna have dinner with 'em later. 345 00:17:07,993 --> 00:17:10,662 Oh God, I don't want to eat, you know? 346 00:17:10,696 --> 00:17:18,370 And so the nature of a submarine is that it's noisy inside. 347 00:17:18,837 --> 00:17:21,173 You hear air. 348 00:17:22,041 --> 00:17:23,809 - All the motors and machines. 349 00:17:23,842 --> 00:17:25,344 - There are all kinds of machinery. 350 00:17:25,377 --> 00:17:28,580 And of course the navy prides itself 351 00:17:28,614 --> 00:17:31,650 on not letting that noise get out of a hull. 352 00:17:32,584 --> 00:17:35,220 So I sat there and that constant din 353 00:17:35,254 --> 00:17:37,289 of white noise was actually putting me asleep. 354 00:17:37,322 --> 00:17:40,692 So I ended up just nodding off 355 00:17:40,726 --> 00:17:44,963 and all of a sudden I'm awakened by the sonar guy. 356 00:17:44,997 --> 00:17:47,900 "Con sonar, con sonar, fast mover, fast mover." 357 00:17:47,933 --> 00:17:51,937 I jolt awake going, "Fast mover? Oh no. 358 00:17:51,970 --> 00:17:53,539 Oh no, it's a torpedo." 359 00:17:53,572 --> 00:17:55,607 I immediately got adrenaline surge. 360 00:17:55,641 --> 00:17:58,210 I thought I was about to die inside this iron coffin. 361 00:17:58,243 --> 00:18:00,045 That's what I thought. 362 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:01,747 And the executive officer just sort 363 00:18:01,780 --> 00:18:03,415 of saunters around the corner 364 00:18:03,449 --> 00:18:06,418 and he looks down, I'm thinking, wow, he's pretty calm 365 00:18:06,452 --> 00:18:08,921 in the face of a torpedo incoming. 366 00:18:08,954 --> 00:18:11,390 At least I made it into a torpedo. 367 00:18:11,423 --> 00:18:13,892 And the XO as their called looks around 368 00:18:13,926 --> 00:18:15,794 and says, "What do you got?" 369 00:18:15,828 --> 00:18:18,497 And the kid was facing that way and the XO was facing me. 370 00:18:18,530 --> 00:18:20,475 I'm at the edge of my seat leaning like it's something 371 00:18:20,499 --> 00:18:23,302 you do every day, trying to hear the conversation 372 00:18:23,335 --> 00:18:25,003 'cause it was hard to hear. 373 00:18:25,037 --> 00:18:26,405 And the kid gave him the bearing 374 00:18:26,438 --> 00:18:28,574 in the range softer than next sentence 375 00:18:28,607 --> 00:18:30,576 and I didn't hear that. 376 00:18:30,609 --> 00:18:33,645 But I did hear when the XO asked for the speed 377 00:18:33,679 --> 00:18:37,483 and the kid said loudly, he turned in his seat like this 378 00:18:38,684 --> 00:18:40,419 and he held his hands out. 379 00:18:40,452 --> 00:18:42,020 And at first he didn't say anything. 380 00:18:42,054 --> 00:18:45,157 He's like, "Several hundred knots, sir." 381 00:18:45,190 --> 00:18:47,326 And he just kept his hands like this, right, 382 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:48,327 'cause he didn't know what to do with it. 383 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:49,728 A sonar guy is supposed 384 00:18:49,761 --> 00:18:52,831 to classify every single thing they see. 385 00:18:52,865 --> 00:18:55,000 They're supposed to know. 386 00:18:55,033 --> 00:18:58,470 This one, he didn't know because he couldn't possibly know. 387 00:18:58,504 --> 00:19:01,273 And so he was like this, not knowing what to do. 388 00:19:01,306 --> 00:19:05,244 And the XO said to him, "Okay, log and dog it." 389 00:19:05,277 --> 00:19:06,955 And he went, "Sir, yes sir," and he went right back 390 00:19:06,979 --> 00:19:09,781 to work, no questions asked, nothing. 391 00:19:09,815 --> 00:19:12,417 Well, me, Mr. Bigshot, because I was invited, you see, 392 00:19:12,451 --> 00:19:14,920 on this boat, so I'm an important person. 393 00:19:14,953 --> 00:19:17,189 I know you can see where this is going. 394 00:19:17,222 --> 00:19:19,925 I get up and I go over to the XO 395 00:19:19,958 --> 00:19:24,263 and I said, "Sir, well I'm familiar with these fast movers. 396 00:19:24,296 --> 00:19:25,864 Is there anything I can help you with?" 397 00:19:25,898 --> 00:19:29,001 By the way, seasickness gone. 398 00:19:29,034 --> 00:19:30,512 As soon as I heard this, I was like, gone. 399 00:19:30,536 --> 00:19:33,372 You know, so it's psychological in part. 400 00:19:33,405 --> 00:19:35,707 I say, "Is there anything I can help you with, sir?" 401 00:19:35,741 --> 00:19:36,675 He looks at me and he goes, "D'Antonio, right?" 402 00:19:36,708 --> 00:19:38,110 I go, "Sir, yes sir." 403 00:19:38,143 --> 00:19:39,011 He says, "You're having a good trip so far? 404 00:19:39,044 --> 00:19:40,412 "Sir, yes, sir." 405 00:19:40,445 --> 00:19:41,925 And he goes, "Let's keep it that way." 406 00:19:42,781 --> 00:19:45,017 Okay. And he walked away. 407 00:19:45,050 --> 00:19:47,319 So I was like, okay. 408 00:19:47,352 --> 00:19:48,429 And he said it in a nice way. 409 00:19:48,453 --> 00:19:49,421 He wasn't like, let's keep it that. 410 00:19:49,454 --> 00:19:50,355 He said, "Let's keep it that way," 411 00:19:50,389 --> 00:19:51,657 and he turned and walked away. 412 00:19:51,690 --> 00:19:52,658 - [Darcy] He doesn't wanna talk about it. 413 00:19:52,691 --> 00:19:53,592 - He didn't wanna talk about it. 414 00:19:53,625 --> 00:19:56,328 And I thought if I saw something 415 00:19:56,361 --> 00:19:58,797 on just one trip, they must be very common, 416 00:19:58,830 --> 00:20:02,000 so I started looking into it and they are. 417 00:20:02,034 --> 00:20:04,970 I found other submarines and they laugh, 418 00:20:05,003 --> 00:20:07,239 "Oh yeah, we call those things jellyfish on our boat." 419 00:20:07,272 --> 00:20:08,974 "Jellyfish?" 420 00:20:09,007 --> 00:20:10,952 "Yeah, Just to classify 'em 'cause they don't go anywhere. 421 00:20:10,976 --> 00:20:12,353 We don't know what they are." - It's just a code word. 422 00:20:12,377 --> 00:20:13,779 - They don't make noise 423 00:20:13,812 --> 00:20:15,123 so that's sort of like the little in joke, right? 424 00:20:15,147 --> 00:20:17,549 Jellyfish don't make noises. 425 00:20:17,583 --> 00:20:21,286 So they call 'em jellyfish just to name them something. 426 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,489 - So how does sonar work? 427 00:20:24,523 --> 00:20:26,668 Can you kind of explain that for the audience a little bit? 428 00:20:26,692 --> 00:20:30,862 Is it like an echolocation sort of technology? 429 00:20:32,331 --> 00:20:33,665 - Sonar is a lot like light. 430 00:20:33,699 --> 00:20:35,867 And the physics of light are, 431 00:20:35,901 --> 00:20:37,903 you have might have a source like the sun 432 00:20:37,936 --> 00:20:42,908 and it emits photons and the light bounces off an object 433 00:20:42,941 --> 00:20:44,152 and then hits your eye and that allows you 434 00:20:44,176 --> 00:20:46,678 to register what that is. 435 00:20:46,712 --> 00:20:50,048 Sonar works in the same way, but at much lower frequencies. 436 00:20:50,082 --> 00:20:54,386 And so a pulse is emitted from a transducer or an object 437 00:20:54,419 --> 00:20:58,857 that emanates sound, and it is received by a hydrophone 438 00:20:58,890 --> 00:21:02,227 and it's basically vibrations of the molecules in the water 439 00:21:02,261 --> 00:21:06,865 and that's what registers a sound at a certain signal level. 440 00:21:07,566 --> 00:21:09,401 - [Darcy] So an object that is emitting. 441 00:21:09,434 --> 00:21:11,370 - Yeah, and there's two forms of it. 442 00:21:11,403 --> 00:21:14,339 There's passive sonar, which just listens for noise 443 00:21:14,373 --> 00:21:16,808 that's generated by anything 444 00:21:16,842 --> 00:21:19,311 and then there's active sonar, which is like radar. 445 00:21:19,344 --> 00:21:23,649 And it's where something like a sonar, a USS ship 446 00:21:23,682 --> 00:21:28,487 or submarine emits a sound signal 447 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,656 and it bounces off an object and comes back 448 00:21:30,689 --> 00:21:32,033 and allows you to determine the distance 449 00:21:32,057 --> 00:21:33,592 to which that object is 450 00:21:33,625 --> 00:21:36,828 and also over time, it's speed. 451 00:21:36,862 --> 00:21:38,630 - [Darcy] That's when you're pinging someone. 452 00:21:38,664 --> 00:21:40,899 - That's right. Exactly right, yeah. 453 00:21:40,932 --> 00:21:42,934 - And then several years later, I have to do a job 454 00:21:42,968 --> 00:21:45,737 for the joint chiefs down in Washington. 455 00:21:45,771 --> 00:21:47,706 In fact, it was a presidential model, had to do 456 00:21:47,739 --> 00:21:49,574 for the president of the United States. 457 00:21:49,608 --> 00:21:51,777 So I did this model, I drove it down. 458 00:21:51,810 --> 00:21:55,614 I went to a home of one of the joint chiefs, 459 00:21:55,647 --> 00:21:59,017 and I sat with him in his house, in his living room, 460 00:21:59,051 --> 00:22:00,552 and I asked him a question. 461 00:22:00,585 --> 00:22:02,321 My brain said, "Don't ask. 462 00:22:02,354 --> 00:22:04,823 Don't ask the question. Don't say it." 463 00:22:04,856 --> 00:22:06,191 I was already saying it, 464 00:22:06,224 --> 00:22:08,464 "Sir, what can you tell me about the Fast Mover program?" 465 00:22:08,493 --> 00:22:12,297 And that's where you ruin friendships 466 00:22:12,331 --> 00:22:15,233 and relationships is when you start prying. 467 00:22:15,267 --> 00:22:17,703 You know, I had a high clearance at the time 468 00:22:17,736 --> 00:22:20,439 and I didn't wanna jeopardize that, 469 00:22:20,472 --> 00:22:23,408 but something made me ask 470 00:22:23,442 --> 00:22:25,277 and I immediately went, oh, 471 00:22:25,310 --> 00:22:27,212 like that, I shouldn't have asked 472 00:22:27,245 --> 00:22:28,780 and I think he picked up on that. 473 00:22:28,814 --> 00:22:31,483 He kinda smiled. He goes, "I'm sorry, Marc. 474 00:22:31,516 --> 00:22:32,984 I can't talk about that program." 475 00:22:34,019 --> 00:22:36,254 - This is the second in command for the Navy? 476 00:22:36,288 --> 00:22:37,689 - Yes. 477 00:22:37,723 --> 00:22:40,192 - And he- - What's his name? 478 00:22:40,225 --> 00:22:41,860 - I can't give that to you. 479 00:22:41,893 --> 00:22:44,363 Okay, because you probably can research it, 480 00:22:44,396 --> 00:22:45,330 but it was decades ago. - What year? 481 00:22:45,364 --> 00:22:46,398 - This was decades ago. 482 00:22:46,431 --> 00:22:48,100 I can't talk about that. 483 00:22:48,133 --> 00:22:50,736 It's the nature of my trip, the nature, I can't talk. 484 00:22:50,769 --> 00:22:52,738 And that's part of the problem, isn't it, 485 00:22:52,771 --> 00:22:54,473 with this world? 486 00:22:55,374 --> 00:22:58,443 People will doubt anything you say 487 00:22:58,477 --> 00:23:00,979 if you can't give 'em all the details, you know? 488 00:23:01,012 --> 00:23:04,149 Well, I'm sorry, that's just what has to be lived with. 489 00:23:04,182 --> 00:23:05,222 - [Darcy] It's classified. 490 00:23:05,250 --> 00:23:06,785 - It just that I can't talk about it. 491 00:23:06,818 --> 00:23:09,721 - [Darcy] And you have a nondisclosure agreement. 492 00:23:09,755 --> 00:23:13,458 - Well, you have a non jail time agreement. 493 00:23:14,726 --> 00:23:17,629 If you violate that, you're going to jail, you kno? 494 00:23:17,662 --> 00:23:22,067 And I get mad when I see politicians violate this, 495 00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:24,669 and nothing happens to 'em 496 00:23:24,703 --> 00:23:27,806 but if I violate it, I'm going right to the can, you know? 497 00:23:27,839 --> 00:23:30,742 So I've never done that. I never will, I can't. 498 00:23:30,776 --> 00:23:32,878 - [Darcy] All of this talk about submarines 499 00:23:32,911 --> 00:23:35,514 and the USO phenomenon reminded me 500 00:23:35,547 --> 00:23:37,449 that I could go see my friend, 501 00:23:37,482 --> 00:23:39,684 Jim Goodall in Tucson, Arizona. 502 00:23:39,718 --> 00:23:41,520 Having written a book 503 00:23:41,553 --> 00:23:45,457 on our Navy subs, this man has probably been 504 00:23:45,490 --> 00:23:48,593 aboard more submarines than any civilian, 505 00:23:48,627 --> 00:23:52,631 and perhaps more than some navy men. 506 00:23:52,664 --> 00:24:00,664 When you hear about navy submarine seamen witnessing 507 00:24:01,673 --> 00:24:06,211 or noticing on sonar USO activity, 508 00:24:06,244 --> 00:24:08,680 objects that are moving, you know, 509 00:24:08,713 --> 00:24:10,949 300 knots plus in the water. 510 00:24:13,251 --> 00:24:15,520 - I don't know the date involved, 511 00:24:15,554 --> 00:24:17,622 and I won't use the gentleman's name, 512 00:24:19,191 --> 00:24:23,195 even though he's mentioned it publicly and has been in print 513 00:24:24,296 --> 00:24:27,899 that during some testing 514 00:24:27,933 --> 00:24:33,672 on the the Los Angeles class improved 688 515 00:24:34,673 --> 00:24:37,409 Los Angeles Class fast attack submarine, 516 00:24:37,442 --> 00:24:41,913 the USS Hampton, I think it's SSN 767. 517 00:24:41,947 --> 00:24:44,182 They were doing something new with the sonar, 518 00:24:46,117 --> 00:24:52,491 and an object was being picked up on sonar as a fast mover 519 00:24:52,691 --> 00:24:55,126 and it went zipping by 'em. 520 00:24:56,962 --> 00:24:59,865 And the sonar operator said, "That went 521 00:24:59,898 --> 00:25:04,035 by us and in excess of 800 miles an hour." 522 00:25:04,069 --> 00:25:05,070 - [Darcy] Wow. 523 00:25:05,103 --> 00:25:07,239 - And it wasn't a biologic 524 00:25:07,272 --> 00:25:12,344 and it wasn't an error in the processor 525 00:25:12,377 --> 00:25:14,489 because there are multiple sensors picked up this object, 526 00:25:14,513 --> 00:25:15,881 whatever it was. 527 00:25:15,914 --> 00:25:18,617 They have no explanation for it. 528 00:25:18,650 --> 00:25:21,052 Of course, the Navy is not saying anything about it 529 00:25:21,086 --> 00:25:26,191 because, you know, if they admit that something happened, 530 00:25:26,458 --> 00:25:27,259 then, you know, they're gonna have 531 00:25:27,292 --> 00:25:28,894 to come up with an answer. 532 00:25:30,228 --> 00:25:34,065 And if they deny it, there's no consequences for saying no. 533 00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:39,838 99.9% of the operational military submarines 534 00:25:39,871 --> 00:25:43,708 have a test depth, which is whether they're limited 535 00:25:44,543 --> 00:25:48,013 to go beyond of 1200 feet. 536 00:25:48,046 --> 00:25:52,150 Virginia class is about to be about 1500 feet. 537 00:25:52,183 --> 00:25:56,454 And the three Seawolf boats, it's 2000 feet. 538 00:25:56,488 --> 00:25:58,456 - [Darcy] What's the fastest speed 539 00:25:58,490 --> 00:26:02,193 that a submarine is known to travel at? 540 00:26:03,562 --> 00:26:06,464 - [Jim] Well, when I think, 541 00:26:06,498 --> 00:26:08,567 when the USS Connecticut hit the sea, 542 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,335 it hit the sea out here not too long ago, 543 00:26:10,368 --> 00:26:14,406 and I was on that sub 2017. 544 00:26:14,439 --> 00:26:16,141 I think they were doing like 35 knots, 545 00:26:16,174 --> 00:26:17,876 that's 40 miles an hour. 546 00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:21,580 Now, when the San Francisco hit, that was SSN 711, 547 00:26:21,613 --> 00:26:27,953 they had had the nose hatch to the sonar catwalk open. 548 00:26:28,753 --> 00:26:32,591 It's a 32 or 34 inch hole. 549 00:26:33,858 --> 00:26:41,858 It's six inches thick of HY-80 steel. 550 00:26:42,801 --> 00:26:46,638 And the HY-80 stands for, 551 00:26:46,671 --> 00:26:50,342 you can go 80,000 PSI before it starts to deform. 552 00:26:51,676 --> 00:26:54,946 The newer subs are using HY-100. 553 00:26:56,247 --> 00:26:59,184 And it's only produced, I think, in, you know, one 554 00:26:59,217 --> 00:27:03,288 or two mills under exclusive contract of United States Navy. 555 00:27:07,792 --> 00:27:10,895 - [Darcy] So you think it's really about 40 miles per hour 556 00:27:10,929 --> 00:27:15,533 that our technology can withstand, you know, ocean 557 00:27:15,567 --> 00:27:18,169 drag effects and the water? 558 00:27:18,203 --> 00:27:19,871 They can go a little faster than that. 559 00:27:19,904 --> 00:27:21,182 - [Jim] Well, yeah, the Russians have claimed 560 00:27:21,206 --> 00:27:24,376 they have torpedoes that go 200 or 400 miles an hour 561 00:27:24,409 --> 00:27:27,912 and that's because they are putting a stream of air- 562 00:27:27,946 --> 00:27:29,147 - [Darcy] In front of them. 563 00:27:29,180 --> 00:27:31,549 - In front of it. - So it creates an envelope? 564 00:27:31,583 --> 00:27:33,785 - Yeah, and that's why like 565 00:27:33,818 --> 00:27:36,187 when they fire a ballistic missile out 566 00:27:36,221 --> 00:27:41,426 of one of our Ohio boats, they're about 150 feet deep 567 00:27:41,459 --> 00:27:43,862 when they launch. 568 00:27:43,895 --> 00:27:49,834 And the rocket, the Trident two doesn't even get wet 569 00:27:50,869 --> 00:27:55,173 because the blast of air pushing the thing out 570 00:27:55,206 --> 00:27:59,978 envelops the entire sub, I mean the entire missile. 571 00:28:00,011 --> 00:28:03,481 And then once it clears the water, then it ignites. 572 00:28:03,515 --> 00:28:04,816 (thunder crashing) 573 00:28:04,849 --> 00:28:06,985 I've always been fascinated with submarines. 574 00:28:07,018 --> 00:28:10,055 And I can remember back in the '60s, I wrote 575 00:28:11,256 --> 00:28:15,760 General Dynamics Electric Boat in Groton, Connecticut, 576 00:28:15,794 --> 00:28:19,130 and asked for some photos or anything they have on the, 577 00:28:20,465 --> 00:28:24,469 at the time it was the fleet ballistic missile submarine 578 00:28:24,502 --> 00:28:27,405 they called the 41 for freedom ballistic missile subs 579 00:28:28,673 --> 00:28:31,576 and fast attacks, the early fast attacks. 580 00:28:32,510 --> 00:28:35,380 And they sent me some stuff, but that was about it. 581 00:28:35,413 --> 00:28:41,786 And I had an opportunity in 2004 582 00:28:43,021 --> 00:28:45,423 to go for a ride on the Henry M. Jackson. 583 00:28:45,457 --> 00:28:51,029 That is the SSBN 730. 584 00:28:51,863 --> 00:28:57,335 It is a 560 foot long, 18,000 tons submerged 585 00:28:59,003 --> 00:29:01,139 nuclear powered ballistic missile submarine. 586 00:29:02,974 --> 00:29:08,313 Prior to assault treaties, they had 24 missile tubes, 587 00:29:08,613 --> 00:29:12,851 and each one of the D5 missiles, 588 00:29:12,884 --> 00:29:14,452 which are the most advanced missiles 589 00:29:14,486 --> 00:29:16,855 that it carries, could carry up 590 00:29:16,888 --> 00:29:23,895 to 14 quarter megaton hydrogen bombs times 24 591 00:29:24,896 --> 00:29:26,731 but because the saw they had to put ballast 592 00:29:26,765 --> 00:29:30,969 in four of the middle tubes. 593 00:29:31,002 --> 00:29:33,538 But I had a chance to go out, we went out 594 00:29:33,571 --> 00:29:35,874 through the Strait of Juan de Fuca. 595 00:29:35,907 --> 00:29:37,685 I'm up in there in the sail and I'm looking around 596 00:29:37,709 --> 00:29:39,711 and saying, you know, Gene Hackman 597 00:29:39,744 --> 00:29:42,280 and Denzel Washington don't have a thing on me. 598 00:29:45,850 --> 00:29:46,851 - I concur, sir. 599 00:29:46,885 --> 00:29:49,354 - [Darcy] When you think 600 00:29:49,387 --> 00:29:55,126 of these massive nuclear war boats going out 601 00:29:55,160 --> 00:30:01,800 to North Korea, right, and we're in the middle 602 00:30:02,033 --> 00:30:07,305 of a potential war, right, World War III, possibly. 603 00:30:08,173 --> 00:30:09,850 I know that you don't think it's actually gonna happen, 604 00:30:09,874 --> 00:30:13,378 but what if one of those things sinks 605 00:30:13,411 --> 00:30:15,313 and detonates at the bottom of the ocean? 606 00:30:15,346 --> 00:30:16,714 Like could that- 607 00:30:16,748 --> 00:30:18,416 - [Jim] A nuclear weapon or- 608 00:30:18,449 --> 00:30:21,252 - [Darcy] Yeah, like a massive nuclear warhead. 609 00:30:21,286 --> 00:30:23,955 A warhead that's on one of those U-boats, you know, like 610 00:30:23,988 --> 00:30:26,724 what if that detonates in the ocean, 611 00:30:26,758 --> 00:30:30,628 would that be radioactive to the planet, like that mess up? 612 00:30:30,662 --> 00:30:34,766 - The precision and maintenance 613 00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:39,204 of nuclear weapons is very intensive. 614 00:30:39,237 --> 00:30:46,277 The radiation destroys metal and it destroys electronics. 615 00:30:46,845 --> 00:30:50,782 So they have to continuously upgrade and update, 616 00:30:50,815 --> 00:30:58,815 plus the plutonium, it starts decay. 617 00:31:01,292 --> 00:31:04,429 It has a half life of 25,000 years or something like that. 618 00:31:04,462 --> 00:31:07,999 - [Darcy] Considering the dangers of nuclear weapons 619 00:31:08,032 --> 00:31:11,202 maybe we shouldn't always rely on aliens above 620 00:31:11,236 --> 00:31:14,405 and below to save our asses. 621 00:31:14,439 --> 00:31:19,711 Would you think it's fair to say that the Navy, 622 00:31:19,744 --> 00:31:24,482 and, you know, the NOAA 623 00:31:24,515 --> 00:31:32,457 and the different oceanic scientific organizations 624 00:31:32,824 --> 00:31:36,461 still don't know everything that's down there in the bottom? 625 00:31:36,494 --> 00:31:39,163 - I mean, you know, do we know that everything's, you know, 626 00:31:39,197 --> 00:31:40,665 below the surface of the ocean. 627 00:31:40,698 --> 00:31:44,168 We only know about 5% 628 00:31:44,569 --> 00:31:48,072 of what's in the bottom of the world's oceans. 629 00:31:49,073 --> 00:31:51,876 - When I was at NOAA, we had remotely operated vehicles 630 00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:54,012 that were rated to go down to 6,000 meters 631 00:31:54,045 --> 00:31:56,948 and do the science of deep sea oceanography, 632 00:31:56,981 --> 00:31:58,883 which is really interesting. 633 00:31:58,917 --> 00:32:00,919 And then there was my friend, Victor Vescovo, 634 00:32:00,952 --> 00:32:03,087 who designed the ultimate submersible 635 00:32:03,121 --> 00:32:04,999 and went down to the deepest parts of the ocean. 636 00:32:05,023 --> 00:32:07,492 And then still he's collected some great data 637 00:32:07,525 --> 00:32:11,996 but all of these areas are very little understood 638 00:32:12,030 --> 00:32:13,865 and need to be looked at more. 639 00:32:13,898 --> 00:32:17,168 - Right now we have, 640 00:32:18,636 --> 00:32:20,939 what kind of listening systems in the oceans? 641 00:32:20,972 --> 00:32:22,807 We have the SOSUS. 642 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,108 - We have quite a bit. 643 00:32:24,142 --> 00:32:27,045 We have, it's called SOSUS, it's US Navy. 644 00:32:27,078 --> 00:32:28,746 It's operated by the commander 645 00:32:28,780 --> 00:32:31,182 of the Undersea Surveillance Command. 646 00:32:31,215 --> 00:32:34,018 I know a former commander of that command 647 00:32:34,052 --> 00:32:36,754 and I know officers within that command 648 00:32:36,788 --> 00:32:39,624 and they're managing these undersea surveillance networks 649 00:32:39,657 --> 00:32:41,926 that are basically arrays of hydrophones on the seabed 650 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,595 and we use those for anti-submarine warfare. 651 00:32:44,629 --> 00:32:47,031 That is a source. 652 00:32:47,065 --> 00:32:51,069 And also there are of course, mobile assets 653 00:32:51,102 --> 00:32:54,772 either unmanned underwater vehicles, 654 00:32:54,806 --> 00:32:56,941 and there's a wide range 655 00:32:56,975 --> 00:32:58,676 of those in the private sector right now 656 00:32:58,710 --> 00:33:01,479 and the Navy has a few of them as well as NOAA. 657 00:33:01,512 --> 00:33:05,717 And then there are even a pretty extensive range 658 00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:09,887 of drifting types of buoys and sensor configurations. 659 00:33:09,921 --> 00:33:12,256 So there's a large amount of the ocean 660 00:33:12,290 --> 00:33:13,758 that's being looked at already. 661 00:33:13,791 --> 00:33:15,860 We can do more. 662 00:33:15,893 --> 00:33:18,963 And I pretty much have a handle on all 663 00:33:18,997 --> 00:33:21,899 of those both within the US and within partners. 664 00:33:21,933 --> 00:33:23,468 And in fact, your home country 665 00:33:23,501 --> 00:33:26,270 of Canada has a very significant network 666 00:33:26,304 --> 00:33:30,274 of undersea acoustic observation capability. 667 00:33:30,308 --> 00:33:34,379 - So when they're listening, these listening networks 668 00:33:34,412 --> 00:33:39,650 of devices, they have cataloged all of the biologics 669 00:33:39,917 --> 00:33:41,786 and they've cataloged all 670 00:33:41,819 --> 00:33:43,955 of the equipment that's known, right? 671 00:33:43,988 --> 00:33:46,557 Especially for the Navy, you guys have to know 672 00:33:46,591 --> 00:33:50,061 what the Russians are driving, what the Chinese, 673 00:33:50,094 --> 00:33:54,499 what, you know, anybody who has an aquatic force. 674 00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:58,069 - [Tim] Yeah, that's the office of naval intelligence. 675 00:33:58,102 --> 00:34:00,204 They're really good at that and that's their job. 676 00:34:00,238 --> 00:34:04,242 - So you're of the mind that 677 00:34:04,275 --> 00:34:06,744 when we see these objects going 678 00:34:06,778 --> 00:34:09,680 through our oceans at 500 knots, 679 00:34:09,714 --> 00:34:14,352 which we are only like able to send things like, 680 00:34:14,385 --> 00:34:20,458 for example, submarine can go maybe a max of 35 to 40 knots, 681 00:34:20,491 --> 00:34:25,029 and then maybe the Russians have these torpedoes 682 00:34:25,663 --> 00:34:27,932 that they create a air bubble in front of, 683 00:34:27,965 --> 00:34:30,868 and those can go up to 200 miles 684 00:34:30,902 --> 00:34:32,336 or something like that, 685 00:34:32,370 --> 00:34:37,341 which I think is like, I don't know, 100 knots 686 00:34:37,375 --> 00:34:39,911 or something like that, 150 knots, something like that. 687 00:34:39,944 --> 00:34:41,846 - Yeah. That's called super cavitation. 688 00:34:41,879 --> 00:34:44,449 I'm not gonna comment on our own force 689 00:34:44,482 --> 00:34:47,351 or adversary capabilities in terms of numbers, 690 00:34:47,385 --> 00:34:51,289 but I'll say yes, that we have capabilities 691 00:34:51,322 --> 00:34:56,360 that currently the phenomena we're seeing far exceed. 692 00:34:57,028 --> 00:34:59,597 - [Darcy] Okay, so we have a threshold 693 00:34:59,630 --> 00:35:02,567 in which we cannot go beyond in terms of speed- 694 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:03,768 - Right. 695 00:35:03,801 --> 00:35:04,635 - Underwater. - Yeah. 696 00:35:04,669 --> 00:35:06,037 - [Darcy] Okay. 697 00:35:06,070 --> 00:35:07,114 - I mean, and this is just like the UAP 698 00:35:07,138 --> 00:35:09,207 that are observed in the atmosphere. 699 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:12,643 And this is why this is such a historic time, 700 00:35:12,677 --> 00:35:17,582 is when we begin learning more about these phenomena 701 00:35:18,116 --> 00:35:21,819 and possibly the technology that allows 702 00:35:21,853 --> 00:35:29,460 for them to do, we're gonna learn things, maybe new physics. 703 00:35:29,694 --> 00:35:31,829 And I know they are certain people like 704 00:35:31,863 --> 00:35:35,366 Avi Loeb, they don't like that term new physics 705 00:35:35,399 --> 00:35:37,435 because they think we know all there is to know. 706 00:35:37,468 --> 00:35:39,770 But actually, I do disagree. 707 00:35:39,804 --> 00:35:41,448 I don't think we know all there is to know. 708 00:35:41,472 --> 00:35:43,508 And I think, so not new physics being, 709 00:35:43,541 --> 00:35:46,410 it will violate anything we know currently. 710 00:35:46,444 --> 00:35:48,980 It's just that we're gonna learn about certain possibilities 711 00:35:49,013 --> 00:35:50,681 that we've just yet to discover. 712 00:35:50,715 --> 00:35:51,682 - [Darcy] With our own current physics. 713 00:35:51,716 --> 00:35:52,884 - Yeah, exactly. 714 00:35:52,917 --> 00:35:54,185 So just the laws of physics 715 00:35:54,218 --> 00:35:57,155 as we know them is gonna be expanded 716 00:35:57,188 --> 00:35:59,790 and then that's what's so exciting. 717 00:35:59,824 --> 00:36:03,728 - As an oceanographer, can you describe, sort of illustrate 718 00:36:03,761 --> 00:36:08,232 for me the different levels of ocean volume 719 00:36:08,266 --> 00:36:10,801 as we go down to a trench? 720 00:36:10,835 --> 00:36:12,537 - Wow. 721 00:36:12,570 --> 00:36:14,205 - [Darcy] And just sort of like types 722 00:36:14,238 --> 00:36:19,243 of biologics along the way and what, you know, 723 00:36:19,277 --> 00:36:22,180 kind of submarines we would, 724 00:36:22,213 --> 00:36:24,715 what kind of vehicles we can actually operate? 725 00:36:24,749 --> 00:36:27,785 - Okay at a very high level, the surface down 726 00:36:27,818 --> 00:36:32,456 to 100 meters, that's where navy submarines operate. 727 00:36:32,957 --> 00:36:35,993 I won't let you know how much farther they can go down, 728 00:36:36,027 --> 00:36:37,404 but that's pretty much where they do. 729 00:36:37,428 --> 00:36:39,897 That's where a lot of commercial 730 00:36:39,931 --> 00:36:43,000 and scientific drones operate in. 731 00:36:43,034 --> 00:36:45,937 They're called AUVs, autonomous underwater vehicle. 732 00:36:45,970 --> 00:36:49,407 And then there's also a thing called ocean gliders, 733 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,742 which are longer range 734 00:36:51,776 --> 00:36:54,812 and they are powered by buoyancy changes, 735 00:36:54,845 --> 00:36:57,782 and they kind of do a seesaw up and down 736 00:36:57,815 --> 00:37:02,453 and they can go down 1000 meters potentially. 737 00:37:02,486 --> 00:37:04,498 And so you kind of have autonomous underwater vehicles 738 00:37:04,522 --> 00:37:06,591 and submarines in the upper hundred meters 739 00:37:06,624 --> 00:37:09,660 and then these gliders can go down to 1000 meters. 740 00:37:09,694 --> 00:37:11,772 And then deep diving remotely operated vehicles can go down 741 00:37:11,796 --> 00:37:14,532 to about 6,000 meters. 742 00:37:14,565 --> 00:37:17,568 And then some of the deepest submersibles like Victor's 743 00:37:17,602 --> 00:37:21,272 and a Chinese submersible actually can go down 744 00:37:21,305 --> 00:37:23,841 to 10,000 meters or more. 745 00:37:23,874 --> 00:37:25,810 And so those are what we kind of have to sense. 746 00:37:25,843 --> 00:37:26,777 And then we have a number 747 00:37:26,811 --> 00:37:29,447 of different fixed sensors like arrays 748 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,649 that can operate at any depth. 749 00:37:31,682 --> 00:37:34,352 Then the sea life you see in there, 750 00:37:34,385 --> 00:37:36,254 in the upper surface is really rich and robust 751 00:37:36,287 --> 00:37:37,622 and abundant from small plankton 752 00:37:37,655 --> 00:37:40,891 to 100-foot long blue whales 753 00:37:40,925 --> 00:37:45,029 and all sorts of pelagic fish 754 00:37:45,062 --> 00:37:48,666 and that's why that upper part is called the pelagic zone. 755 00:37:48,699 --> 00:37:52,103 And as you go down to the deepest, you kind of have the, 756 00:37:52,136 --> 00:37:54,372 you know, at the very deepest is called the Hadal zone, 757 00:37:54,405 --> 00:37:56,507 like Hades, the underworld 758 00:37:56,540 --> 00:38:00,378 and there, you still have different forms of sea life. 759 00:38:00,411 --> 00:38:02,713 Sea life exists throughout the entire water column. 760 00:38:02,747 --> 00:38:04,358 And Victor, when he was doing his deep dives, 761 00:38:04,382 --> 00:38:06,550 actually discovered some new species, 762 00:38:06,584 --> 00:38:08,362 which was terrific for us as a science agency. 763 00:38:08,386 --> 00:38:10,388 We wanted to know that 764 00:38:10,421 --> 00:38:13,424 and we continue to investigate that. 765 00:38:13,457 --> 00:38:16,560 - [Darcy] Some of you may be saying to yourselves, okay, 766 00:38:16,594 --> 00:38:19,697 so a couple of guys have seen some strange stuff 767 00:38:19,730 --> 00:38:23,734 in or over international waters, who cares? 768 00:38:23,768 --> 00:38:27,471 Well, apparently my friend, Richard Dolan has head 769 00:38:27,505 --> 00:38:29,707 of way more than a few stories. 770 00:38:29,740 --> 00:38:33,277 A historian who meticulously educates people 771 00:38:33,311 --> 00:38:35,980 on the phenomena of USOs. 772 00:38:36,013 --> 00:38:38,316 - You know, we're talking about unusual objects 773 00:38:38,349 --> 00:38:41,485 in the sky, well, that's obviously interesting, 774 00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:43,587 but when they come out of the water, 775 00:38:43,621 --> 00:38:45,289 when they go into the water, 776 00:38:45,323 --> 00:38:47,725 when they're moving in the water at speeds 777 00:38:47,758 --> 00:38:50,561 that are just not supposed to be possible, 778 00:38:50,594 --> 00:38:53,297 that's incredibly interesting and mysterious. 779 00:38:53,331 --> 00:38:54,699 I think even more mysterious 780 00:38:54,732 --> 00:38:57,802 in a lot of ways than aerial objects. 781 00:38:59,003 --> 00:39:00,971 This is a huge thing. 782 00:39:01,005 --> 00:39:04,508 I mean, we all know the earth is 70% covered by water. 783 00:39:06,043 --> 00:39:08,612 We're all mostly land lovers, let's be real about it. 784 00:39:08,646 --> 00:39:11,816 Some of us go out into the ocean, but mostly we don't. 785 00:39:11,849 --> 00:39:15,453 And what is going on out there in the depths of the ocean? 786 00:39:15,486 --> 00:39:18,089 You've got the main navies 787 00:39:18,122 --> 00:39:19,566 of the world, predominantly the United States Navy, 788 00:39:19,590 --> 00:39:21,559 which has a global presence. 789 00:39:21,592 --> 00:39:24,128 You know, they're encountering stuff. 790 00:39:24,161 --> 00:39:29,800 And I've collected a lot of US Navy USO reports, unofficial. 791 00:39:30,668 --> 00:39:33,437 And I mean, this is the problem 792 00:39:33,471 --> 00:39:35,539 with a lot of these USO cases. 793 00:39:35,573 --> 00:39:38,676 Like we really have to be fair in describing 794 00:39:38,709 --> 00:39:41,479 how difficult it is to get documentation 795 00:39:41,512 --> 00:39:43,347 on a lot of these cases, right? 796 00:39:43,381 --> 00:39:46,884 It's not like, you know, you can file a FOIA request 797 00:39:46,917 --> 00:39:51,021 and get something on other types of UFO encounters. 798 00:39:51,055 --> 00:39:53,491 There's very little FOIA activity that I've been aware of 799 00:39:53,524 --> 00:39:55,760 that deals with USO cases. 800 00:39:55,793 --> 00:40:00,664 And the definite message that comes through over 801 00:40:00,698 --> 00:40:02,133 and over again is that the secrecy 802 00:40:02,166 --> 00:40:04,835 on these is very, very severe. 803 00:40:04,869 --> 00:40:07,772 Records get taken out, they get expunged, 804 00:40:07,805 --> 00:40:09,807 log books get switched out and this type of thing. 805 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,742 So there's a lot of management 806 00:40:11,776 --> 00:40:14,645 over the information with these things. 807 00:40:14,678 --> 00:40:19,083 And so, almost typically, classically, the way these stories 808 00:40:19,116 --> 00:40:24,021 will come out is an ex-Navy guy, 20, 30 years 809 00:40:24,054 --> 00:40:29,059 after the fact, will quietly talk to a researcher 810 00:40:29,593 --> 00:40:32,897 and get the story out often under anonymity. 811 00:40:32,930 --> 00:40:37,802 And even sometimes under even more than anonymity, 812 00:40:37,835 --> 00:40:38,536 he'll say, "Look, I don't even wanna tell you 813 00:40:38,569 --> 00:40:40,638 where our ship was. 814 00:40:40,671 --> 00:40:44,442 I don't wanna tell you, you know, what my rank was. 815 00:40:44,475 --> 00:40:47,144 I don't wanna tell you what we were doing." 816 00:40:47,178 --> 00:40:50,581 - [Darcy] If something like a fast mover is reported 817 00:40:50,614 --> 00:40:54,351 on say, a submarine through sonar detection, 818 00:40:54,385 --> 00:40:56,487 do you think the first officer 819 00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,825 and the XO, maybe a number 820 00:41:00,858 --> 00:41:05,296 of other crewman actually would be aware 821 00:41:05,329 --> 00:41:07,431 of these types of objects? 822 00:41:07,465 --> 00:41:09,266 - Yes, I do. 823 00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:12,603 In fact, the one story I've heard, and I'm not gonna get 824 00:41:12,636 --> 00:41:18,142 into too much specifics from a US submarine, it was 825 00:41:18,442 --> 00:41:22,346 everybody on the bridge was tracking it on sonar 826 00:41:22,379 --> 00:41:26,083 and so there were multiple witnesses. 827 00:41:26,116 --> 00:41:30,654 And by the way, that data, it was sent somewhere 828 00:41:30,688 --> 00:41:32,189 that looks at acoustic data. 829 00:41:32,223 --> 00:41:33,624 I'll leave it at that. 830 00:41:33,657 --> 00:41:36,260 I'll need to dig into that more 831 00:41:36,293 --> 00:41:38,295 to make sure I can go on the record 832 00:41:38,329 --> 00:41:40,731 and talk about where that goes. 833 00:41:40,764 --> 00:41:43,033 But it was sent somewhere, an authoritative source 834 00:41:43,067 --> 00:41:47,738 of acoustic data and I don't know what they've done with it, 835 00:41:47,771 --> 00:41:51,275 but I'm gonna be looking into that more as we go forward. 836 00:41:51,308 --> 00:41:53,244 - [Darcy] Interesting. 837 00:41:53,277 --> 00:41:56,547 - I suspect they have a lot more of those reports. 838 00:41:56,580 --> 00:41:58,983 And I don't have confirmation, 839 00:41:59,016 --> 00:42:04,188 but I believe this source, this data curator 840 00:42:06,624 --> 00:42:12,563 probably owns this potential fast mover program. 841 00:42:13,197 --> 00:42:15,599 - [Darcy] Wow, okay. 842 00:42:16,567 --> 00:42:20,871 And they're a data curator within the Navy? 843 00:42:20,905 --> 00:42:22,907 - No, they're not. They're a Navy partner. 844 00:42:23,374 --> 00:42:23,974 - [Darcy] Ah. 845 00:42:24,008 --> 00:42:25,009 Kind of like the 846 00:42:25,042 --> 00:42:29,113 National Geospatial Agency is a partner, okay. 847 00:42:29,146 --> 00:42:30,915 - They're, yeah. 848 00:42:30,948 --> 00:42:33,284 - A little over the last year, 849 00:42:33,317 --> 00:42:35,362 in addition to all my other UFO research, I really got 850 00:42:35,386 --> 00:42:36,787 into this subject. 851 00:42:36,820 --> 00:42:42,192 And it actually started for me, I think 852 00:42:42,793 --> 00:42:46,530 in spring of 2022, one of the members of my website, 853 00:42:46,564 --> 00:42:48,365 I have a website where I've got a lot 854 00:42:48,399 --> 00:42:50,167 of very smart, active people, 855 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,803 and they asked me about a particular case 856 00:42:52,836 --> 00:42:56,407 in the summer of 1945 in the Ellucian Islands, right, 857 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,343 between Alaska and Siberia. 858 00:42:59,376 --> 00:43:02,112 One of the Ellucian islands is called Adak Island. 859 00:43:02,146 --> 00:43:03,847 It's very small 860 00:43:03,881 --> 00:43:08,285 and it's the western westernmost military base 861 00:43:08,319 --> 00:43:10,688 of the United States military. 862 00:43:10,721 --> 00:43:13,490 And just so happens that in the summer of '45, 863 00:43:13,524 --> 00:43:15,492 when World War II was still going 864 00:43:15,526 --> 00:43:19,396 in the Pacific Theater anyway, there was a US transport ship 865 00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:24,201 on its way back to Seattle and it was called USS Delroth. 866 00:43:24,234 --> 00:43:27,838 And it so happened that this crew apparently dealt 867 00:43:27,871 --> 00:43:31,742 with an object that came out of the water 868 00:43:31,775 --> 00:43:33,677 about a mile distance from them, 869 00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:37,281 estimated diameter, maybe about 200 feet diameter 870 00:43:37,314 --> 00:43:38,349 so a pretty good size. 871 00:43:39,383 --> 00:43:40,584 Came up outta the water. 872 00:43:40,618 --> 00:43:44,221 It was clearly visible against the sky. 873 00:43:44,254 --> 00:43:47,091 It was becoming dusk, but the sun was still out somewhat 874 00:43:47,124 --> 00:43:49,860 so dark silhouette comes up, straight up 875 00:43:49,893 --> 00:43:52,830 and then begins to circle 876 00:43:52,863 --> 00:43:56,634 around their ship two or three times 877 00:43:56,667 --> 00:43:58,636 so they got a good look at it 878 00:43:58,669 --> 00:44:02,172 and it then just zipped off. 879 00:44:02,206 --> 00:44:04,975 The speed of this object wasn't outstanding. 880 00:44:05,009 --> 00:44:07,211 It was about 100 miles per hour estimate, 881 00:44:07,244 --> 00:44:10,214 not super fast but the thing about it was, primary witness 882 00:44:10,247 --> 00:44:14,418 who spoke about this said it was absolutely rock steady, 883 00:44:14,451 --> 00:44:18,088 no oscillation, no change in speed. 884 00:44:18,122 --> 00:44:21,992 It had to be eerie to see something like that, you know? 885 00:44:22,026 --> 00:44:25,295 So it circled around them twice and then moved off. 886 00:44:25,329 --> 00:44:27,831 And I think it took off at a pretty good speed. 887 00:44:27,865 --> 00:44:29,867 I don't think they were sure. 888 00:44:29,900 --> 00:44:31,935 And he just saw there was some lights flashing 889 00:44:31,969 --> 00:44:34,805 as it departed and that was that. 890 00:44:34,838 --> 00:44:37,408 So that was the case that started me going 891 00:44:37,441 --> 00:44:41,011 into a deeper dive, if I may say that, into the subject. 892 00:44:42,279 --> 00:44:44,948 I did a little mini lecture on it from my website 893 00:44:44,982 --> 00:44:46,684 and then I thought, I wanna look 894 00:44:46,717 --> 00:44:47,918 at some more of these cases. 895 00:44:47,951 --> 00:44:51,288 - [Darcy] When you were going down that road 896 00:44:51,321 --> 00:44:55,426 of investigating that phenomenon, basically USOs, 897 00:44:55,459 --> 00:44:57,327 what else did you find? 898 00:44:58,929 --> 00:45:00,707 - I found that there were incidents in our Navy 899 00:45:00,731 --> 00:45:03,000 that go relatively unreported. 900 00:45:03,033 --> 00:45:07,071 1951, there were objects flying in and outta the ocean 901 00:45:07,104 --> 00:45:10,340 at a specific latitude, longitude provided 902 00:45:10,374 --> 00:45:13,744 by the Kizugawa Maru which is a Japanese freighter. 903 00:45:13,777 --> 00:45:16,046 And I looked on the map 904 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,080 and guess what, it's right near the Mariana Trench. 905 00:45:19,616 --> 00:45:20,918 - [Darcy] That's interesting. 906 00:45:20,951 --> 00:45:23,921 - And based on the methodology 907 00:45:23,954 --> 00:45:27,524 that I think an alien spacecraft would have to use 908 00:45:27,558 --> 00:45:28,992 in order to traverse and be here 909 00:45:29,026 --> 00:45:32,429 and be hidden, they could be in the Mariana Trench. 910 00:45:32,463 --> 00:45:34,732 - One of them, 911 00:45:34,765 --> 00:45:36,734 there was a case, several cases actually dealing 912 00:45:36,767 --> 00:45:39,002 with the US aircraft carrier, 913 00:45:39,036 --> 00:45:40,971 the USS Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the FDR. 914 00:45:42,106 --> 00:45:44,775 And that ship's got one heck 915 00:45:44,808 --> 00:45:48,278 of a history with UFOs and USOs. 916 00:45:48,312 --> 00:45:50,080 I mean, back in 1952, 917 00:45:50,114 --> 00:45:53,917 there was a NATO operation called Main Brace. 918 00:45:53,951 --> 00:45:55,285 This was in the North Sea. 919 00:45:55,319 --> 00:45:59,256 It was a naval exercise in September of 1952. 920 00:45:59,289 --> 00:46:02,392 The FDR was there, along with many other US 921 00:46:02,426 --> 00:46:04,461 and NATO navy ships. 922 00:46:04,495 --> 00:46:07,698 And this is very well documented. 923 00:46:07,731 --> 00:46:10,200 There was a large series, several days 924 00:46:10,234 --> 00:46:16,607 of dramatic UFO silence dealing with this whole scenario. 925 00:46:16,974 --> 00:46:19,576 The FDR was the first US aircraft carrier 926 00:46:19,610 --> 00:46:22,179 to carry nuclear weapons. 927 00:46:22,212 --> 00:46:24,615 And I don't know if that has anything to do with this, 928 00:46:24,648 --> 00:46:27,785 but that ship had many encounters with UFOs 929 00:46:27,818 --> 00:46:29,887 and USOs as far as I can tell. 930 00:46:31,155 --> 00:46:35,058 The Main Brace incident, that's a well-documented one 931 00:46:35,092 --> 00:46:37,427 but then there were others that follow. 932 00:46:37,461 --> 00:46:40,931 One that I learned about that is utterly fascinating 933 00:46:40,964 --> 00:46:44,802 to me happened in the early part of 1954, not long 934 00:46:44,835 --> 00:46:45,845 after Main Brace, about a year 935 00:46:45,869 --> 00:46:47,771 and a half later, less than that 936 00:46:47,805 --> 00:46:51,008 so January or February, 1954. 937 00:46:51,041 --> 00:46:54,244 And the gentleman who wrote about it, he wrote it 938 00:46:54,278 --> 00:46:55,813 to a couple of different sources. 939 00:46:55,846 --> 00:46:58,382 One of them is called Filers Files, George Filers. 940 00:46:58,415 --> 00:47:00,417 Taking all the reports. 941 00:47:00,450 --> 00:47:03,787 Loved George Filer and so this went there. 942 00:47:03,821 --> 00:47:07,224 And the man writes, he says, look, even now 943 00:47:07,257 --> 00:47:10,093 after all these years, I have to be careful about the safety 944 00:47:10,127 --> 00:47:12,496 of my family and my career and my life. 945 00:47:13,463 --> 00:47:15,132 I don't think he was saying 946 00:47:15,165 --> 00:47:17,568 that his life would be threatened but he was very concerned. 947 00:47:17,601 --> 00:47:20,604 So he gives some vague generalities about what he was. 948 00:47:20,637 --> 00:47:22,840 He was an officer on the FDR. 949 00:47:23,974 --> 00:47:27,177 And this is a ship that was normally stationed 950 00:47:27,211 --> 00:47:31,148 in the Mediterranean, but as, as I looked into its history, 951 00:47:31,181 --> 00:47:34,251 in January of 1954, it left the Mediterranean 952 00:47:34,284 --> 00:47:37,955 to go back to Seattle for a major refit and overhaul, 953 00:47:37,988 --> 00:47:39,923 which took several years. 954 00:47:39,957 --> 00:47:41,734 So the only time that this could have happened 955 00:47:41,758 --> 00:47:45,095 in 1954 would've been January or February. 956 00:47:45,128 --> 00:47:47,598 And it was too large to go through the Panama Canal, 957 00:47:47,631 --> 00:47:50,734 so it had to go down the Atlantic, 958 00:47:50,767 --> 00:47:53,237 down the South American coastline down 959 00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:55,005 around the tip of South America. 960 00:47:55,038 --> 00:47:56,540 - [Darcy] Towards Antarctica? 961 00:47:56,573 --> 00:47:58,451 - [Richard] Yes, up the other side, the Pacific side, 962 00:47:58,475 --> 00:47:59,710 up to Seattle. 963 00:47:59,743 --> 00:48:01,945 So in a month and a half 964 00:48:01,979 --> 00:48:04,748 or so, it traveled almost, I think 20,000 miles 965 00:48:04,781 --> 00:48:05,549 or something like that. 966 00:48:05,582 --> 00:48:06,950 - [Darcy] Wow. 967 00:48:06,984 --> 00:48:10,487 - So at some point along that path, I don't know 968 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,624 where the FDR according to this man encountered, 969 00:48:14,691 --> 00:48:16,793 had an unbelievable encounter. 970 00:48:16,827 --> 00:48:19,229 And what he said is, he was very technical 971 00:48:19,263 --> 00:48:21,541 and very vague at the same time, he didn't say where it was, 972 00:48:21,565 --> 00:48:24,768 but he said, now this is like a 30 minute encounter, 973 00:48:24,801 --> 00:48:28,972 he said, after about about 10 minutes 974 00:48:29,006 --> 00:48:32,409 or so, he was called to the deck by a fellow officer 975 00:48:34,311 --> 00:48:36,780 and they saw a cigar shaped object 976 00:48:36,813 --> 00:48:38,916 that he said was about 100 feet long. 977 00:48:40,117 --> 00:48:42,552 And it was not directly over the ship, 978 00:48:42,586 --> 00:48:44,221 but close to the ship. 979 00:48:44,254 --> 00:48:48,592 And he said that they tried to engage weapons 980 00:48:48,625 --> 00:48:51,328 and the weapons went offline. 981 00:48:51,361 --> 00:48:53,430 He didn't say which weapons. 982 00:48:53,463 --> 00:48:55,275 He said at the conclusion of the event, they tried 983 00:48:55,299 --> 00:49:00,103 to launch two aircraft, two fighter aircraft, they would 984 00:49:00,137 --> 00:49:02,606 not launch, they would not take off. 985 00:49:02,639 --> 00:49:06,343 In the meantime, this cigar shaped object hung around 986 00:49:06,376 --> 00:49:10,180 for a few minutes and then shot up to the sky. 987 00:49:10,881 --> 00:49:12,549 He said right after that, 988 00:49:12,582 --> 00:49:17,020 these two white circular disc objects came out 989 00:49:17,054 --> 00:49:19,523 of the water, exited the water 990 00:49:19,556 --> 00:49:22,960 and they were hanging around for a little while. 991 00:49:22,993 --> 00:49:28,732 He then said that a much larger cigar shaped object, 992 00:49:29,032 --> 00:49:32,502 roughly 300 feet in diameter came into the area. 993 00:49:32,536 --> 00:49:36,640 Now when I read this account, I'm wondering this same object 994 00:49:36,673 --> 00:49:40,110 that just seemed closer or not and you don't really know. 995 00:49:40,143 --> 00:49:42,512 What we know is that the first time it appeared, 996 00:49:42,546 --> 00:49:44,614 it looked like it was 100 feet in diameter. 997 00:49:44,648 --> 00:49:47,117 And then the second, nearly identical looking one, 998 00:49:47,150 --> 00:49:52,089 but was much larger, comes into view and is there. 999 00:49:52,122 --> 00:49:54,992 So you got these two little white discs, 1000 00:49:55,025 --> 00:49:58,528 you got this 300 foot long cigar shaped object. 1001 00:49:58,562 --> 00:50:00,931 - Massive. - Massive. 1002 00:50:00,964 --> 00:50:04,067 And not as big as the FDR, but pretty big. 1003 00:50:04,101 --> 00:50:06,069 And the two disc objects 1004 00:50:06,103 --> 00:50:08,572 enter this larger cigar shaped craft. 1005 00:50:10,173 --> 00:50:13,777 The cigar shaped object then shoots up for a few minutes 1006 00:50:15,212 --> 00:50:19,349 and then comes down and enters the water 1007 00:50:19,383 --> 00:50:21,852 and that is the conclusion of this particular event. 1008 00:50:21,885 --> 00:50:24,855 Well, off Puerto Rico in the '60s, 1009 00:50:24,888 --> 00:50:27,391 and I talked about this in my talk, 1010 00:50:27,424 --> 00:50:31,695 there was a series of five submarines and some destroyers. 1011 00:50:31,728 --> 00:50:34,097 They were doing maneuvers, 1012 00:50:34,131 --> 00:50:37,034 but one of the submarines detected something 1013 00:50:37,067 --> 00:50:40,103 and it started to follow it with permission. 1014 00:50:40,137 --> 00:50:43,807 And they noticed that this object accelerated rapidly 1015 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,743 to very high speeds, similar to 1016 00:50:46,777 --> 00:50:50,647 what was seen in our situation. 1017 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,383 And then it actually went to great depth 1018 00:50:53,417 --> 00:50:55,986 and it came up very shallow again. 1019 00:50:56,019 --> 00:50:58,355 And it was doing that with regularity. 1020 00:50:58,388 --> 00:51:00,957 And so they ended up following it for four days 1021 00:51:00,991 --> 00:51:03,427 and it was there and they kept following it for four days 1022 00:51:03,460 --> 00:51:05,962 and they could never get any closer to it. 1023 00:51:05,996 --> 00:51:07,798 It always stayed just outta their range 1024 00:51:07,831 --> 00:51:08,732 and they tried to be closer. 1025 00:51:08,765 --> 00:51:09,842 Sometimes they'd just get closer 1026 00:51:09,866 --> 00:51:11,401 and it would go away. 1027 00:51:12,436 --> 00:51:14,604 And also the old Soviet Navy, 1028 00:51:14,638 --> 00:51:17,741 the Russian Navy Soviets, particularly 1029 00:51:17,774 --> 00:51:19,776 encountering these as well. 1030 00:51:19,810 --> 00:51:23,213 For example, there was probably the premier Soviet UFO 1031 00:51:23,246 --> 00:51:26,249 researcher was a man named Vladimir Azhazha 1032 00:51:26,283 --> 00:51:30,954 and very good, very serious research, 1960s, '70s. 1033 00:51:31,822 --> 00:51:36,927 And he was very in with the Soviet military as well 1034 00:51:37,527 --> 00:51:43,500 and spoke about how the Soviet military during the 1970s 1035 00:51:43,867 --> 00:51:47,537 and '80s had a special project 1036 00:51:47,571 --> 00:51:52,142 to investigate USOs specifically, 1037 00:51:52,175 --> 00:51:55,612 and specifically ones that were following Soviet submarines. 1038 00:51:56,379 --> 00:51:57,581 And he said, you know, 1039 00:51:57,614 --> 00:51:59,249 "At first we thought 1040 00:51:59,282 --> 00:52:00,960 these were American technology, American craft." 1041 00:52:00,984 --> 00:52:04,955 He said, "But no way, these things were way too fast." 1042 00:52:04,988 --> 00:52:07,224 They were just too incredible. 1043 00:52:07,257 --> 00:52:09,459 And he said, on one occasion 1044 00:52:10,727 --> 00:52:13,330 there was a Soviet icebreaker in the Arctic Sea, 1045 00:52:14,498 --> 00:52:15,999 all the heavy ice and everything. 1046 00:52:16,032 --> 00:52:17,968 - What year? - He didn't give a year. 1047 00:52:18,001 --> 00:52:20,103 Did not give a year. 1048 00:52:20,137 --> 00:52:22,639 And not only is that a problem with USO cases, 1049 00:52:22,672 --> 00:52:25,342 that's a big problem with Soviet UFO cases in general. 1050 00:52:25,375 --> 00:52:26,935 - [Darcy] Because they don't talk years. 1051 00:52:28,178 --> 00:52:30,380 - Well they don't because a lot of this stuff, 1052 00:52:31,781 --> 00:52:36,453 it was never officially supposed to exist. 1053 00:52:36,486 --> 00:52:39,289 So all the conversation in the Soviet years 1054 00:52:39,322 --> 00:52:42,926 on UFOs was always unofficial, very quiet. 1055 00:52:42,959 --> 00:52:44,694 And so it was only 1056 00:52:44,728 --> 00:52:48,265 when the Soviet Union broke apart 1990, '91, 1057 00:52:48,298 --> 00:52:50,100 that these stories started really coming out. 1058 00:52:50,133 --> 00:52:51,735 So by that time you got guys years 1059 00:52:51,768 --> 00:52:53,570 after the fact talking. 1060 00:52:53,603 --> 00:52:55,805 - [Darcy] And like Paul Stonehill escaping? 1061 00:52:55,839 --> 00:52:57,841 - Yes, exactly. 1062 00:52:57,874 --> 00:53:00,544 And so they don't have dates, they don't have years. 1063 00:53:00,577 --> 00:53:02,379 They've just got the stories. 1064 00:53:02,412 --> 00:53:04,948 But in this case, you have a Soviet icebreaker, 1065 00:53:04,981 --> 00:53:08,552 no, I don't know the year that's doing its job in the Arctic 1066 00:53:08,585 --> 00:53:13,190 and an object blasts through the ice. 1067 00:53:14,424 --> 00:53:17,861 And there's someone interviewing Azhazha about ths 1068 00:53:17,894 --> 00:53:20,096 and they said, "Well, could it have been a missile?" 1069 00:53:20,130 --> 00:53:23,533 He says, "No. Missile's not gonna blast through the ice." 1070 00:53:23,567 --> 00:53:27,370 And he said, besides this thing was a sphere. 1071 00:53:27,404 --> 00:53:29,739 (laughing) So they had that much of a description. 1072 00:53:29,773 --> 00:53:32,676 - [Darcy] As a Canadian, I needed to speak 1073 00:53:32,709 --> 00:53:36,313 with my fellow researcher and friend, 1074 00:53:36,346 --> 00:53:41,318 Louis Borges about the now famous Shag Harbor incident. 1075 00:53:41,585 --> 00:53:44,120 So we're out here, we're on the water. 1076 00:53:44,154 --> 00:53:48,191 And I understand you've studied quite a few 1077 00:53:48,225 --> 00:53:53,964 of the Canadian water-based UFO and USO cases. 1078 00:53:54,264 --> 00:53:55,608 - Yeah, well I think the most famous one, 1079 00:53:55,632 --> 00:53:57,701 of course would be Shag Harbor. 1080 00:53:57,734 --> 00:54:00,103 - [Darcy] And this happened off the coast 1081 00:54:00,136 --> 00:54:01,204 of Nova Scotia. 1082 00:54:01,238 --> 00:54:02,872 - Correct, yeah, off the coast 1083 00:54:02,906 --> 00:54:04,817 of Shag Harbor, Nova Scotia, right on the southern tip. 1084 00:54:04,841 --> 00:54:07,844 Witness numbers were in double digits, credible people, 1085 00:54:07,877 --> 00:54:11,248 police officers, airline pilots and there's evidence. 1086 00:54:11,281 --> 00:54:13,416 There's government reports. 1087 00:54:13,450 --> 00:54:16,886 So many people in the town actually saw what happened. 1088 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,590 And basically, I believe it was October 4th, 1967. 1089 00:54:20,624 --> 00:54:23,093 Residents saw lights in the sky kind 1090 00:54:23,126 --> 00:54:25,295 of not doing what an aircraft would do. 1091 00:54:25,328 --> 00:54:26,930 It was running sort of in a pattern, 1092 00:54:26,963 --> 00:54:28,632 but nothing discernible. 1093 00:54:28,665 --> 00:54:30,734 And then it appeared to sort of hover 1094 00:54:30,767 --> 00:54:33,937 over the water level, pitch to a 45 degree, 1095 00:54:33,970 --> 00:54:36,539 and then descended rapidly towards the water. 1096 00:54:36,573 --> 00:54:39,743 So first responders were the Royal Canadian Mount of Police. 1097 00:54:39,776 --> 00:54:41,678 They actually commandeered two boats 1098 00:54:41,711 --> 00:54:43,380 'cause this is a small fishing village 1099 00:54:43,413 --> 00:54:44,914 and they went out there. 1100 00:54:44,948 --> 00:54:47,150 It only happened maybe two or 300 yards off the coast 1101 00:54:47,183 --> 00:54:48,652 or off the shore. 1102 00:54:48,685 --> 00:54:49,653 They went out to have a look. 1103 00:54:49,686 --> 00:54:52,689 By then the craft had disappeared 1104 00:54:52,722 --> 00:54:55,625 but there was a residue of like a yellow foam almost. 1105 00:54:55,659 --> 00:54:57,394 - [Darcy] Yeah, just on top. 1106 00:54:57,427 --> 00:55:00,130 - Yeah, like a sulfuric smell. 1107 00:55:00,163 --> 00:55:03,366 So some witnesses said that they saw the craft on the water. 1108 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,135 It was almost like a glowing dome of light 1109 00:55:05,168 --> 00:55:06,770 for a period of time. 1110 00:55:06,803 --> 00:55:09,005 It didn't make any noise or anything like that. 1111 00:55:09,039 --> 00:55:11,875 Subsequently, there were searches done the next day. 1112 00:55:11,908 --> 00:55:14,577 In fact, even the Air Force, the strategic air command 1113 00:55:14,611 --> 00:55:17,681 did a grid search of it, navy divers did a search. 1114 00:55:17,714 --> 00:55:20,116 And some of these navy divers even spoke years 1115 00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:21,651 after the fact 1116 00:55:21,685 --> 00:55:23,953 and said that, yeah, they saw craft underwater 1117 00:55:23,987 --> 00:55:26,756 and they even saw what looked like a second craft. 1118 00:55:26,790 --> 00:55:32,462 - [Darcy] But this also was, you know, fully surveilled 1119 00:55:32,696 --> 00:55:35,265 and investigated by the American Navy 1120 00:55:35,298 --> 00:55:37,100 and the American Air Force. 1121 00:55:37,133 --> 00:55:39,436 You were saying that, 1122 00:55:39,469 --> 00:55:41,871 so can you give some context to some people like 1123 00:55:41,905 --> 00:55:44,808 why that's significant? 1124 00:55:44,841 --> 00:55:46,576 - Well, I mean this is Cold War era too. 1125 00:55:46,609 --> 00:55:48,878 And in the world of NATO, Canada 1126 00:55:48,912 --> 00:55:50,923 and the United States have a very close relationship. 1127 00:55:50,947 --> 00:55:53,516 There was a US base not far away from this. 1128 00:55:53,550 --> 00:55:55,352 It was on Canadian ground, 1129 00:55:55,385 --> 00:55:57,020 but it was manned by the Americans. 1130 00:55:57,053 --> 00:55:58,488 So whether they thought 1131 00:55:58,521 --> 00:56:01,858 this was Cold War related spy submarine, who knows? 1132 00:56:01,891 --> 00:56:05,128 But essentially that's where all the alert came from, right? 1133 00:56:05,161 --> 00:56:06,796 And this is a small town. 1134 00:56:06,830 --> 00:56:09,232 Fishermen are known to be very honest people. 1135 00:56:09,265 --> 00:56:10,276 It's not very often they're gonna 1136 00:56:10,300 --> 00:56:12,602 make something up like this. 1137 00:56:12,635 --> 00:56:15,805 And in fact, nobody even reported, quote unquote a UFO. 1138 00:56:15,839 --> 00:56:17,607 Many people thought it was a crashed airplane 1139 00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,776 or some other type of lights. 1140 00:56:19,809 --> 00:56:21,754 It was only when the locals were speaking with the police 1141 00:56:21,778 --> 00:56:24,214 that responded that they kind of hung that UFO tag 1142 00:56:24,247 --> 00:56:25,725 and said, yeah, we think it's something 1143 00:56:25,749 --> 00:56:28,284 from outer space, further adding to that allure 1144 00:56:28,318 --> 00:56:30,019 of what the heck happened, right? 1145 00:56:30,053 --> 00:56:31,888 - So that was Shag Harbor. 1146 00:56:31,921 --> 00:56:36,593 And from what I hear, in terms of people 1147 00:56:36,626 --> 00:56:39,396 that have investigated this story 1148 00:56:39,429 --> 00:56:44,134 of a ocean-based UFO sighting, am I correct 1149 00:56:44,167 --> 00:56:49,339 in assuming that there was a dive rescue team sent 1150 00:56:49,372 --> 00:56:51,708 after this craft? 1151 00:56:51,741 --> 00:56:53,610 - That's right. There was a dive rescue team. 1152 00:56:53,643 --> 00:56:55,044 Some of them reported to see 1153 00:56:55,078 --> 00:56:58,615 what looked like almost arc welding underwater. 1154 00:56:58,648 --> 00:57:00,526 I don't know if that was some kind of a repair, who knows. 1155 00:57:00,550 --> 00:57:03,052 But the craziest thing, even more 1156 00:57:03,086 --> 00:57:05,789 so than that, was the divers reported they saw non-human 1157 00:57:05,822 --> 00:57:08,725 intelligence in the water, you know, 1158 00:57:08,758 --> 00:57:11,461 in the shape of beings, non-human beings. 1159 00:57:11,494 --> 00:57:12,796 - [Darcy] Very interesting. 1160 00:57:12,829 --> 00:57:15,131 And so the Navy divers were a bit spooked 1161 00:57:15,165 --> 00:57:16,132 when they came up from the ocean. 1162 00:57:16,166 --> 00:57:17,700 - Sure. 1163 00:57:17,734 --> 00:57:19,302 And think about it, these guys are used 1164 00:57:19,335 --> 00:57:21,204 to pulling up dead bodies sometimes. 1165 00:57:21,237 --> 00:57:24,808 I mean, being a navy diver can be not such a nice thing. 1166 00:57:24,841 --> 00:57:26,743 So they're conditioned, they're seasoned, 1167 00:57:26,776 --> 00:57:28,678 they're not faint of heart kind of people 1168 00:57:28,711 --> 00:57:31,047 and so for these people to be rattled based 1169 00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,884 on what they saw, that kind of speaks to the uniqueness 1170 00:57:34,918 --> 00:57:36,719 of it and the severity of, you know, 1171 00:57:36,753 --> 00:57:38,988 what is actually going on. 1172 00:57:39,022 --> 00:57:41,424 - [Darcy] And so this case that happened in 1960, 1173 00:57:41,458 --> 00:57:43,927 how did that go down? 1174 00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,396 - So as far as I know, it was roughly the same thing. 1175 00:57:46,429 --> 00:57:47,907 There's not a lot of documentation on it. 1176 00:57:47,931 --> 00:57:49,732 It's called the Shelburne incident. 1177 00:57:49,766 --> 00:57:51,801 But essentially it was from the work 1178 00:57:51,835 --> 00:57:54,504 of a Canadian ufologist named Chris Styles 1179 00:57:54,537 --> 00:57:57,006 who really did a lot of work on Shag Harbor. 1180 00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,009 And then while interviewing people about that event, 1181 00:58:00,043 --> 00:58:02,445 when he asked them like, what year was this? 1182 00:58:02,479 --> 00:58:04,314 Their mind was a little foggy at first, 1183 00:58:04,347 --> 00:58:06,616 but they clearly knew it was before '67. 1184 00:58:06,649 --> 00:58:09,252 So this was a separate incident, again 1185 00:58:09,285 --> 00:58:12,121 with very, very similar effects 1186 00:58:12,155 --> 00:58:15,425 and similar witness testimony and all the rest. 1187 00:58:15,458 --> 00:58:18,127 - [Chris] On October the 12th, 1960, 1188 00:58:18,161 --> 00:58:19,963 seven years before Shag Harbor 1189 00:58:21,598 --> 00:58:24,901 and eight Canadian warships under Canadian command. 1190 00:58:24,934 --> 00:58:29,405 It was a NATO mission and two USOs on the bottom. 1191 00:58:29,439 --> 00:58:32,675 And you know, I had the ship's logs and that 1192 00:58:32,709 --> 00:58:36,379 and it's a genuine case and you know, 1193 00:58:36,412 --> 00:58:39,449 there was some minor recovery of some of the debris in it. 1194 00:58:39,482 --> 00:58:41,818 There was a confrontation. 1195 00:58:41,851 --> 00:58:43,987 And here's the real controversial part. 1196 00:58:44,020 --> 00:58:47,023 The book's just been released, is that, believe it 1197 00:58:47,056 --> 00:58:48,691 or not, something that's supposedly 1198 00:58:48,725 --> 00:58:50,760 has never happened in history, 1199 00:58:50,793 --> 00:58:52,662 I proved it's happened. 1200 00:58:52,695 --> 00:58:55,598 We went to DEFCON 1 over the incident 1201 00:58:55,632 --> 00:58:57,500 and there's no doubt about it. 1202 00:58:57,534 --> 00:59:00,069 I have the ship's log from HMCS Cape Scott. 1203 00:59:00,103 --> 00:59:04,107 The terrible irony of this, my father served 1204 00:59:04,140 --> 00:59:05,375 on the mission, I had no idea. 1205 00:59:05,408 --> 00:59:07,477 He took it to the grave. 1206 00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:10,113 But the DEFCON 1 thing was really weird 1207 00:59:10,146 --> 00:59:13,016 'cause you know, if you look it up on Wikipedia 1208 00:59:13,049 --> 00:59:15,652 or of course something more scholarly than that, 1209 00:59:15,685 --> 00:59:17,954 they would say no, you know, the system has never gone 1210 00:59:17,987 --> 00:59:19,122 to DEFCON 1. 1211 00:59:19,155 --> 00:59:20,757 Well, that is not true. 1212 00:59:21,824 --> 00:59:25,128 It did over the Shelburne incident. (laughs) 1213 00:59:25,161 --> 00:59:27,997 While it was encountering the aliens, what happened next? 1214 00:59:28,031 --> 00:59:30,867 I actually don't know, I don't have all the answers. 1215 00:59:30,900 --> 00:59:33,937 But it took me 29 years to come up with this. 1216 00:59:33,970 --> 00:59:36,539 Like all with Shag Harbor, I never stopped looking 1217 00:59:36,573 --> 00:59:40,410 and I don't have it all yet. 1218 00:59:40,443 --> 00:59:41,520 You know, as the book ends, it says, 1219 00:59:41,544 --> 00:59:43,079 if you think you smell a sequel, 1220 00:59:43,112 --> 00:59:46,049 that will depend on the further research results. 1221 00:59:46,082 --> 00:59:49,185 What we do know is that when they got there 1222 00:59:49,218 --> 00:59:53,356 and they went down, you know, when the divers, you know, 1223 00:59:53,389 --> 00:59:56,726 when they describe at the start of the mission, you know, 1224 00:59:56,759 --> 00:59:59,963 we were this far into going through a dog lake course 1225 00:59:59,996 --> 01:00:02,765 of minesweepers and that like on this exercise 1226 01:00:02,799 --> 01:00:05,335 and then they encountered them, right? 1227 01:00:05,368 --> 01:00:08,571 And, you know, they very quickly hauled the divers 1228 01:00:08,605 --> 01:00:13,443 to the surface and the ship declares DEFCON 1. 1229 01:00:14,177 --> 01:00:16,913 The Cape Scott was the command vessel of the mission 1230 01:00:16,946 --> 01:00:19,382 'cause we were in Canadian waters, just about two 1231 01:00:19,415 --> 01:00:21,184 or three nautical miles off 1232 01:00:21,217 --> 01:00:25,254 of McNutts Island at the entrance to Shelburne Harbor. 1233 01:00:26,889 --> 01:00:29,692 - I have another blood red orange ball sphere story 1234 01:00:29,726 --> 01:00:31,794 from another US aircraft carrier. 1235 01:00:31,828 --> 01:00:34,464 The USS John F. Kennedy. 1236 01:00:34,497 --> 01:00:38,101 And this one, we have an exact date for, July 2nd, 1971. 1237 01:00:39,068 --> 01:00:44,574 And this was from another member aboard the ship 1238 01:00:45,108 --> 01:00:47,377 who writes in after the fact. 1239 01:00:48,811 --> 01:00:49,888 You know, I looked into the history 1240 01:00:49,912 --> 01:00:51,648 of the USS John F. Kennedy 1241 01:00:51,681 --> 01:00:53,950 and this event is not listed there 1242 01:00:53,983 --> 01:00:55,918 that I'm about to tell you, 1243 01:00:55,952 --> 01:00:58,554 but I believe it definitely happened. 1244 01:00:58,588 --> 01:01:01,891 He described that the ship had been in the Caribbean doing 1245 01:01:01,924 --> 01:01:06,763 what are called car quals, carrier qualification exercises. 1246 01:01:06,796 --> 01:01:09,732 And this is a standard thing that you get on carriers 1247 01:01:09,766 --> 01:01:12,568 where they test the pilots, you know, 1248 01:01:12,602 --> 01:01:15,271 how like react, you know, your take off time 1249 01:01:15,304 --> 01:01:16,782 and all of the things that you had to do 1250 01:01:16,806 --> 01:01:19,575 to be like good, like "Top Gun" type stuff 1251 01:01:19,609 --> 01:01:21,878 and so that's car quals. 1252 01:01:21,911 --> 01:01:23,880 So they were doing that in the Caribbean. 1253 01:01:24,714 --> 01:01:26,716 And they were then done with that. 1254 01:01:26,749 --> 01:01:27,650 They had successfully completed it. 1255 01:01:27,684 --> 01:01:30,119 They had just completed it. 1256 01:01:30,153 --> 01:01:33,890 They go up through the Caribbean between, I'm thinking 1257 01:01:33,923 --> 01:01:37,226 between Dominican Republic and Cuba. 1258 01:01:37,260 --> 01:01:39,962 I think through there, through Haiti, 1259 01:01:39,996 --> 01:01:42,965 and they're now in the Bermuda Triangle. 1260 01:01:42,999 --> 01:01:44,901 They're just into the Bermuda Triangle. 1261 01:01:49,772 --> 01:01:51,841 This guy who wrote in, was in charge 1262 01:01:51,874 --> 01:01:54,777 of all the communications on the ship 1263 01:01:54,811 --> 01:01:56,021 and he described them in a lot of details. 1264 01:01:56,045 --> 01:02:04,045 So they had four communication signal devices 1265 01:02:04,087 --> 01:02:06,989 for receiving, four for sending out 1266 01:02:07,023 --> 01:02:08,958 and there were other ship to ship type systems. 1267 01:02:08,991 --> 01:02:11,427 1971 was a very sophisticated comm system 1268 01:02:11,461 --> 01:02:13,096 that he was operating. 1269 01:02:13,129 --> 01:02:16,099 He said suddenly all the communication 1270 01:02:16,132 --> 01:02:20,436 started typing gibberish, nonsensical information. 1271 01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:22,171 And he's like, what the heck? 1272 01:02:22,205 --> 01:02:27,777 And then everything was just nonsensical. 1273 01:02:28,111 --> 01:02:31,881 And then he's on the intercom and said he 1274 01:02:31,914 --> 01:02:35,752 and a fellow crew mate are hearing someone 1275 01:02:35,785 --> 01:02:39,655 screaming on the intercom, 1276 01:02:39,689 --> 01:02:43,960 "It's God, it's the end of the world." 1277 01:02:45,762 --> 01:02:48,397 So like, okay, what's happening here? 1278 01:02:48,431 --> 01:02:53,636 And then they hear again over the intercom, 1279 01:02:53,669 --> 01:02:56,072 something is hovering over the ship. 1280 01:02:56,906 --> 01:03:00,042 So at this point, he gets outside 1281 01:03:00,076 --> 01:03:02,945 to look physically to see what this is. 1282 01:03:02,979 --> 01:03:06,015 And he said, "Me and the guy I was with, 1283 01:03:06,048 --> 01:03:10,820 we see this blood red orange sphere 1284 01:03:11,854 --> 01:03:13,856 basically right over our ship." 1285 01:03:14,857 --> 01:03:16,826 That this thing which had shut 1286 01:03:16,859 --> 01:03:18,528 down all their communications. 1287 01:03:18,561 --> 01:03:22,999 This is a US aircraft carrier. This is heavy duty. 1288 01:03:23,032 --> 01:03:24,042 Billions of dollars going into this thing. 1289 01:03:24,066 --> 01:03:26,736 This is the leading edge 1290 01:03:26,769 --> 01:03:30,406 of the United States defense system. 1291 01:03:30,439 --> 01:03:31,917 I mean, what's more important than the aircraft carriers, 1292 01:03:31,941 --> 01:03:34,844 especially in like 1971? 1293 01:03:34,877 --> 01:03:36,479 They got nukes, they got aircraft. 1294 01:03:36,512 --> 01:03:39,982 This is their forward projection of power around the world. 1295 01:03:40,016 --> 01:03:43,252 You don't mess with a United States aircraft carrier 1296 01:03:43,286 --> 01:03:44,897 but this thing completely disabled their communication. 1297 01:03:44,921 --> 01:03:46,556 In fact, they wanted, 1298 01:03:46,589 --> 01:03:48,024 just like in the case of the FDR 1299 01:03:48,057 --> 01:03:50,960 from the 1950s, they attempted 1300 01:03:50,993 --> 01:03:55,565 to launch two F-4 phantom fighter jets, would not launch. 1301 01:03:55,598 --> 01:03:58,401 Dunno why, but they would not. Nothing worked. 1302 01:03:58,434 --> 01:04:02,738 He was able to see this thing for about 20 seconds, he said 1303 01:04:02,772 --> 01:04:05,608 and then the ship went to general quarters battle stations. 1304 01:04:05,641 --> 01:04:07,777 So he'd go back to his comm center 1305 01:04:07,810 --> 01:04:10,213 and so he didn't get to see it more any longer. 1306 01:04:10,246 --> 01:04:13,416 The ship was on battle stations for one hour, 1307 01:04:13,449 --> 01:04:18,387 and during which time he said, no communications went in 1308 01:04:18,421 --> 01:04:20,189 or out of the carrier. 1309 01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:23,292 That should mean that's just extraordinary. 1310 01:04:23,326 --> 01:04:25,995 You're on general quarters battle stations 1311 01:04:26,028 --> 01:04:31,200 with this thing over your ship in the ocean 1312 01:04:31,667 --> 01:04:33,336 and you can't even communicate. 1313 01:04:33,369 --> 01:04:35,271 They will enter and exit the water 1314 01:04:35,304 --> 01:04:37,640 without even water dripping from them, 1315 01:04:37,673 --> 01:04:39,108 without making a big splash 1316 01:04:39,141 --> 01:04:41,510 but other times they do. 1317 01:04:41,544 --> 01:04:44,413 The USO researcher, Carl Feindt actually had a lot 1318 01:04:44,447 --> 01:04:46,382 of theories about this. 1319 01:04:46,415 --> 01:04:49,185 And he believed that 1320 01:04:49,218 --> 01:04:53,823 when the craft is generating its field, we'll just leave it 1321 01:04:53,856 --> 01:04:56,759 at that, it will cost a certain amount 1322 01:04:56,792 --> 01:04:58,494 of displacement of the water around it, 1323 01:04:58,527 --> 01:05:02,832 which will mitigate a lot of this splashing effect. 1324 01:05:02,865 --> 01:05:04,967 You know, there are a lot of USO cases 1325 01:05:05,001 --> 01:05:06,903 where the object is under the water 1326 01:05:06,936 --> 01:05:08,780 and you'll see a bubbling of the water above it. 1327 01:05:08,804 --> 01:05:10,406 And it's like this field 1328 01:05:10,439 --> 01:05:11,917 of this thing is pushing this water off. 1329 01:05:11,941 --> 01:05:12,909 - I've had experiences I can't explain. 1330 01:05:12,942 --> 01:05:14,343 I've had encounters 1331 01:05:14,377 --> 01:05:16,979 that I know are probably not of the earth 1332 01:05:17,013 --> 01:05:19,916 but what do you do? 1333 01:05:19,949 --> 01:05:24,020 How do you work those into your daily life? 1334 01:05:24,053 --> 01:05:25,964 You try to find the science that could explain them. 1335 01:05:25,988 --> 01:05:29,392 That's for me, and I think I have. 1336 01:05:29,425 --> 01:05:31,827 I just don't think we can do it yet, but we're on the cusp. 1337 01:05:31,861 --> 01:05:33,496 We actually have done technologies 1338 01:05:33,529 --> 01:05:36,599 that are leading to this and from separate angles. 1339 01:05:38,167 --> 01:05:40,870 - Yep, you're talking about the propulsion system 1340 01:05:40,903 --> 01:05:43,539 and I think you said like the gravitons. 1341 01:05:43,572 --> 01:05:45,308 - Graviton, that's right. 1342 01:05:45,341 --> 01:05:48,210 The KK, the Kaluza-Klein particle. 1343 01:05:48,244 --> 01:05:51,113 If you look up Kaluza-Klein, and the next word is CERN. 1344 01:05:51,147 --> 01:05:53,449 You're gonna get all these papers 1345 01:05:53,482 --> 01:05:57,019 that CERN has put out about the Kaluza-Klein particle, 1346 01:05:57,053 --> 01:05:59,689 and they're building on an accelerator just 1347 01:05:59,722 --> 01:06:01,657 to investigate, well, in part, 1348 01:06:01,691 --> 01:06:04,393 to investigate these KK particles. 1349 01:06:04,427 --> 01:06:05,895 So we're getting there. 1350 01:06:05,928 --> 01:06:07,272 On the other end, we've got Lawrence Livermore, 1351 01:06:07,296 --> 01:06:08,931 totally separate organization. 1352 01:06:08,965 --> 01:06:13,903 It's now retained the single most sought 1353 01:06:14,136 --> 01:06:17,340 after holy grail of fusion 1354 01:06:17,373 --> 01:06:20,076 and that's to create a stable, sustainable reaction. 1355 01:06:20,109 --> 01:06:21,711 They did that with fusion. 1356 01:06:21,744 --> 01:06:24,580 Now it's not exactly sustainable. 1357 01:06:24,613 --> 01:06:26,916 They had to put an energy 1358 01:06:26,949 --> 01:06:29,952 and arguably more energy than they got out. 1359 01:06:29,986 --> 01:06:34,857 However, it was a major breakthrough. 1360 01:06:35,491 --> 01:06:40,997 So those Kaluza-Klein particles, you have to create, right? 1361 01:06:41,530 --> 01:06:44,333 And I think UFOs are round because they're accelerators. 1362 01:06:46,235 --> 01:06:48,537 Seems straightforward, you know. 1363 01:06:48,571 --> 01:06:50,248 And the triangular ones are also accelerators 1364 01:06:50,272 --> 01:06:52,074 with the ring inside. 1365 01:06:52,108 --> 01:06:55,244 So I think that they figured out 1366 01:06:55,277 --> 01:06:57,480 how to make the micro black holes to surround the ship 1367 01:06:57,513 --> 01:07:00,449 and actually punch out of our four dimensions 1368 01:07:00,483 --> 01:07:02,818 and punch in wherever they want. 1369 01:07:02,852 --> 01:07:06,155 And if you do it successively, you can go on a straight line 1370 01:07:06,188 --> 01:07:09,358 or you can go zigzag, okay? 1371 01:07:09,392 --> 01:07:11,127 You can do anything you want. 1372 01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:14,430 So what we're not used to is the fact 1373 01:07:14,463 --> 01:07:17,266 that they're doing this punch in, punch out so rapidly, 1374 01:07:18,401 --> 01:07:20,970 but they're not feeling anything. 1375 01:07:21,003 --> 01:07:23,439 To them, the scenery just changes instantly. 1376 01:07:24,740 --> 01:07:28,444 They don't know and they're not subject to water r air. 1377 01:07:28,477 --> 01:07:30,055 So when it looks like they're moving thousands 1378 01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:32,982 of miles an hour through the air, 1379 01:07:33,015 --> 01:07:36,185 well they really aren't moving through the air, 1380 01:07:36,218 --> 01:07:37,729 they're appearing at various points close 1381 01:07:37,753 --> 01:07:39,088 to each other in the air. 1382 01:07:40,056 --> 01:07:41,624 So they're punching out 1383 01:07:41,657 --> 01:07:44,393 and then punching in, punching out and punching in. 1384 01:07:44,427 --> 01:07:47,063 And so they're the best cartographers in the universe 1385 01:07:47,096 --> 01:07:48,936 'cause they know all the exit and entry points. 1386 01:07:50,066 --> 01:07:51,867 We're seeing that the stuff 1387 01:07:51,901 --> 01:07:54,403 that they're reporting are all things 1388 01:07:54,437 --> 01:07:57,473 that are within the realm of the KK world we talked about, 1389 01:07:57,506 --> 01:08:00,042 the Kaluza-Klein particle world, 1390 01:08:00,076 --> 01:08:02,878 the Kaluza-Klein methodology for propulsion. 1391 01:08:02,912 --> 01:08:05,548 It's all well within that realm. 1392 01:08:05,581 --> 01:08:10,453 And a spacecraft that's at 80,000 feet up here, 1393 01:08:10,820 --> 01:08:12,822 and it comes down to the deck, 1394 01:08:12,855 --> 01:08:15,458 is it actually traveling 80,000 feet? 1395 01:08:15,491 --> 01:08:17,827 My contention is that it's not. 1396 01:08:17,860 --> 01:08:20,162 It's actually punching out up here- 1397 01:08:20,196 --> 01:08:21,797 - Punching in. - And punching in 1398 01:08:21,831 --> 01:08:23,933 at lower levels, okay? 1399 01:08:23,966 --> 01:08:25,801 And maybe if you see it here, 1400 01:08:25,835 --> 01:08:27,136 and then see it here, 1401 01:08:27,169 --> 01:08:27,903 then see it here, and then see it here 1402 01:08:27,937 --> 01:08:29,138 and then finally here. 1403 01:08:29,171 --> 01:08:32,675 On your radar, you're gonna see a path 1404 01:08:32,708 --> 01:08:34,710 and you're gonna say, look, what from here to here 1405 01:08:34,743 --> 01:08:39,748 in a quarter of a second or second and a half. 1406 01:08:39,782 --> 01:08:42,685 And then you'll do a calculation for its speed 1407 01:08:42,718 --> 01:08:44,620 and come up with some outrageous speed. 1408 01:08:45,955 --> 01:08:48,324 But it's not traveling at any speed. 1409 01:08:48,991 --> 01:08:51,193 It's not moving at any speed at all. 1410 01:08:51,227 --> 01:08:53,696 The occupants don't even feel it. 1411 01:08:53,729 --> 01:08:56,765 - And similarly, when the object comes down 1412 01:08:56,799 --> 01:09:00,302 to the water, it will create like a well. 1413 01:09:00,336 --> 01:09:02,404 - And separate the water? - Yes. 1414 01:09:02,438 --> 01:09:04,974 - [Darcy] Like part the sea like Moses. 1415 01:09:05,007 --> 01:09:06,809 - Yes, actually, yes. Kind of like that. 1416 01:09:08,177 --> 01:09:09,845 In fact, there was one case 1417 01:09:09,879 --> 01:09:11,547 where you can really see this effect. 1418 01:09:13,115 --> 01:09:15,484 I can just bounce around. - Yeah, go for it. 1419 01:09:15,518 --> 01:09:20,422 - From 1974 in the country of Togo, so that's West Africa. 1420 01:09:21,023 --> 01:09:22,467 But you know, Africa goes all the way down 1421 01:09:22,491 --> 01:09:25,227 and it's got this big hump. 1422 01:09:25,261 --> 01:09:26,962 So on the southern part of that hump 1423 01:09:26,996 --> 01:09:30,299 of West Africa, the nation of Togo, this little thin strip 1424 01:09:30,332 --> 01:09:32,201 and it's got a little bit of coastline there, 1425 01:09:32,234 --> 01:09:34,236 but it's got some coastline. 1426 01:09:34,270 --> 01:09:37,773 So in 1974, there was a French tourist, 1427 01:09:37,806 --> 01:09:40,976 and he's apparently having a nice romantic evening 1428 01:09:41,010 --> 01:09:44,013 with a local woman of Togo. 1429 01:09:44,046 --> 01:09:45,590 It's late at night, they're on the beach. 1430 01:09:45,614 --> 01:09:47,183 - [Darcy] The French are like that. 1431 01:09:47,216 --> 01:09:50,386 - Absolutely and so they're having their time, 1432 01:09:50,419 --> 01:09:53,155 but an object comes in from the water. 1433 01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:55,925 The object created a dip in the water, they said. 1434 01:09:57,026 --> 01:09:58,294 Again, this is something 1435 01:09:58,327 --> 01:09:59,538 that Carl Feindt was quite interested in, 1436 01:09:59,562 --> 01:10:01,864 but creates this dip in the water 1437 01:10:01,897 --> 01:10:04,166 and it actually caused a kind of mini tidal wave 1438 01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:05,401 to come at them. 1439 01:10:05,434 --> 01:10:07,336 It displaced enough water 1440 01:10:07,369 --> 01:10:09,939 that the water just came right at them. 1441 01:10:09,972 --> 01:10:13,309 And he said, we had to grab onto one of the trees. 1442 01:10:13,342 --> 01:10:14,577 - [Darcy] Wow. 1443 01:10:14,610 --> 01:10:15,578 - It was actually that intense. 1444 01:10:15,611 --> 01:10:18,480 This object stayed in the area 1445 01:10:18,514 --> 01:10:21,450 for quite a while, I think more than 10 minutes 1446 01:10:21,483 --> 01:10:23,652 and it then departed, 1447 01:10:23,686 --> 01:10:25,354 but it scared the living hell out of them. 1448 01:10:25,387 --> 01:10:27,189 - [Darcy] I can imagine. - Undoubtedly. 1449 01:10:27,223 --> 01:10:28,190 We have a very well documented case 1450 01:10:28,224 --> 01:10:29,959 from the United States Coast Guard 1451 01:10:29,992 --> 01:10:36,665 from March 4th, 1988 on Lake Erie. 1452 01:10:37,466 --> 01:10:40,636 And this was interesting. 1453 01:10:40,669 --> 01:10:42,771 You had eyewitnesses along the lake there. 1454 01:10:42,805 --> 01:10:47,009 In Ohio, there's a nuclear facility there. 1455 01:10:47,042 --> 01:10:49,578 I think it's the Perry Nuclear Plant. 1456 01:10:49,612 --> 01:10:52,548 And so there were witnesses 1457 01:10:52,581 --> 01:10:55,084 that were seeing this unusual light phenomenon 1458 01:10:55,117 --> 01:10:56,585 over the lake. 1459 01:10:58,354 --> 01:10:59,722 This got written up in newspapers 1460 01:10:59,755 --> 01:11:00,899 and there was an official Coast Guard document 1461 01:11:00,923 --> 01:11:02,758 describing this all. 1462 01:11:02,791 --> 01:11:07,363 But anyway, this one family is very interested 1463 01:11:07,396 --> 01:11:09,732 and they're watching this at the lake. 1464 01:11:10,899 --> 01:11:13,269 They end up calling a number of places. 1465 01:11:13,302 --> 01:11:14,803 They end up getting the Coast Guard. 1466 01:11:14,837 --> 01:11:17,806 Coast Guard sends two Coast Guard personnel 1467 01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,175 who are witnessing this with the family 1468 01:11:20,209 --> 01:11:21,110 and they write up a report. 1469 01:11:21,143 --> 01:11:22,411 So what they're seeing is 1470 01:11:22,444 --> 01:11:25,948 over this frozen lake, it's still very cold, 1471 01:11:25,981 --> 01:11:33,155 this object, this big object is like sitting 1472 01:11:33,188 --> 01:11:37,126 on the frozen lake and they're hearing this cracking sound 1473 01:11:37,159 --> 01:11:39,695 and all this crazy stuff going on. 1474 01:11:39,728 --> 01:11:41,563 It's just blowing their minds. 1475 01:11:41,597 --> 01:11:45,000 And out of this big, huge object comes 1476 01:11:45,034 --> 01:11:49,838 at one point a number of smaller objects zipping around. 1477 01:11:50,673 --> 01:11:52,675 And in fact, one man photographed these objects. 1478 01:11:52,708 --> 01:11:55,944 They were like these little triangular lights. 1479 01:11:56,545 --> 01:11:59,481 And I have a photograph. 1480 01:12:00,749 --> 01:12:03,385 It's been out there. 1481 01:12:03,419 --> 01:12:07,323 And so they're zipping around the area. 1482 01:12:07,356 --> 01:12:09,758 The objects eventually go back into the craft. 1483 01:12:10,592 --> 01:12:15,831 And it gets dark, the action ends, 1484 01:12:16,398 --> 01:12:18,934 the Coast Guard guys write up their report. 1485 01:12:18,967 --> 01:12:20,903 And one of the things that came out of this, 1486 01:12:20,936 --> 01:12:25,808 that this object the next morning was not visible, 1487 01:12:26,575 --> 01:12:29,044 but the area where it had been was all, 1488 01:12:29,078 --> 01:12:31,647 that area was melted. 1489 01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,550 And the belief is that it went into the lake, 1490 01:12:34,583 --> 01:12:37,353 went into the water, which there's quite a few 1491 01:12:37,386 --> 01:12:38,830 of these cases where these objects are going 1492 01:12:38,854 --> 01:12:42,324 into not just oceans, but large lakes 1493 01:12:42,358 --> 01:12:43,959 and sometimes even small bodies of water. 1494 01:12:43,992 --> 01:12:47,196 But in this case, the Lake Erie incident, March 4th, 1988. 1495 01:12:47,229 --> 01:12:50,199 This was very well reported. 1496 01:12:50,232 --> 01:12:53,969 And we do have this one United States Coast Guard document 1497 01:12:54,002 --> 01:12:56,905 that does describe the event in a fair amount of detail. 1498 01:12:56,939 --> 01:12:59,541 (all chattering) 1499 01:12:59,575 --> 01:13:02,678 - [Person] You got it on the wrong thing. 1500 01:13:02,711 --> 01:13:07,483 - Oh my God. This is awesome. - People wanna take a look. 1501 01:13:07,883 --> 01:13:10,486 - [Person] I got it. That's a UFO, no shit. 1502 01:13:10,519 --> 01:13:12,921 (people chattering) 1503 01:13:23,732 --> 01:13:24,743 - [Person 2] You wanna look at this one, 1504 01:13:24,767 --> 01:13:25,534 look through there for a minute? 1505 01:13:25,567 --> 01:13:27,936 - Yeah. - Here. 1506 01:13:27,970 --> 01:13:31,073 Here, here, here, here. Holy fuck, it's coming close. 1507 01:13:31,106 --> 01:13:32,841 Good picture, Kevin. 1508 01:13:33,776 --> 01:13:35,444 - Okay. - Are you filming? 1509 01:13:35,477 --> 01:13:37,913 (people chattering) 1510 01:13:44,153 --> 01:13:47,790 - [Presenter] Describing it like a 40 foot long Tic-Tac 1511 01:13:47,823 --> 01:13:50,926 maneuvering rapidly and changing direction. 1512 01:13:50,959 --> 01:13:52,437 - [Pilot] As we both looked out the right side 1513 01:13:52,461 --> 01:13:55,364 of our airplane, we saw a disturbance in the water 1514 01:13:55,397 --> 01:13:58,400 and a white object oblong pointing north. 1515 01:13:58,434 --> 01:14:00,803 - [Presenter] The object was first cited in 2004. 1516 01:14:00,836 --> 01:14:04,206 Then similar objects, again in 2015. 1517 01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:06,375 Footage of the sightings declassified 1518 01:14:06,408 --> 01:14:08,744 by the military weren't made public 1519 01:14:08,777 --> 01:14:12,147 until December, 2017 by the New York Times 1520 01:14:12,181 --> 01:14:14,550 and a group that researches UFOs. 1521 01:14:14,583 --> 01:14:16,218 - Yeah, the Tic-Tac case. 1522 01:14:16,251 --> 01:14:17,719 There are certain details 1523 01:14:17,753 --> 01:14:19,388 that we still don't have about it. 1524 01:14:19,421 --> 01:14:21,757 It's a great case on many levels in terms 1525 01:14:21,790 --> 01:14:25,060 of the amount of information we have, the date, 1526 01:14:25,093 --> 01:14:29,064 the exact locations pretty well, you know, understood now. 1527 01:14:29,097 --> 01:14:31,600 November 14th, 2004. 1528 01:14:31,633 --> 01:14:34,536 And many, many witnesses have come out. 1529 01:14:34,570 --> 01:14:37,439 So it's been discussed. 1530 01:14:37,473 --> 01:14:40,375 We kind of know this thing happened. 1531 01:14:40,409 --> 01:14:42,611 Too much witness testimony here to ignore, 1532 01:14:42,644 --> 01:14:45,514 but there are still some disputes. 1533 01:14:45,547 --> 01:14:47,850 So what was below the water? 1534 01:14:47,883 --> 01:14:52,421 You've got Fravor's team, two Super Hornets vectored in. 1535 01:14:52,654 --> 01:14:55,757 As we know, he sees it first. 1536 01:14:55,791 --> 01:14:58,393 He goes down, he sees this white Tic-Tac object 1537 01:14:58,427 --> 01:15:00,996 about 40 feet in length. 1538 01:15:01,029 --> 01:15:03,799 It's above the water. 1539 01:15:03,832 --> 01:15:05,901 And in fact, you know, as he's described it, 1540 01:15:05,934 --> 01:15:08,003 he said, well, I didn't know if it was on the water 1541 01:15:08,036 --> 01:15:10,839 or above the water, the water was frothing. 1542 01:15:10,873 --> 01:15:12,207 But I think the implication of 1543 01:15:12,241 --> 01:15:14,009 that was just above the water. 1544 01:15:14,042 --> 01:15:17,746 But then, yes, there's this statement 1545 01:15:17,779 --> 01:15:20,849 of something else below the Tic-Tac 1546 01:15:20,883 --> 01:15:25,420 and much larger from what appears to be the case. 1547 01:15:26,121 --> 01:15:30,259 What the heck was that? Well, that's interesting indeed. 1548 01:15:32,094 --> 01:15:34,730 You know, Fravor comes down to engage the Tic-Tac. 1549 01:15:34,763 --> 01:15:37,566 And as he said, many times people have reported many times, 1550 01:15:37,599 --> 01:15:39,234 that he's circling like this 1551 01:15:39,268 --> 01:15:40,669 and the Tic-Tac's circling 1552 01:15:40,702 --> 01:15:43,238 in an opposite direction toward him. 1553 01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:47,676 And then the Tic-Tac just goes off like this. 1554 01:15:47,709 --> 01:15:51,580 He said he had a perfect field of vision, 1555 01:15:51,613 --> 01:15:54,049 minimum 10 miles, easy, 1556 01:15:54,082 --> 01:15:56,818 but he said realistically, almost close to 50 miles. 1557 01:15:56,852 --> 01:15:58,596 And he said within two seconds that thing was out of sight. 1558 01:15:58,620 --> 01:16:00,689 Like he could not see it. 1559 01:16:00,722 --> 01:16:03,525 And if you take even the conservative estimate 1560 01:16:03,559 --> 01:16:06,662 of his vision, 10 miles, he's still talking probably 1561 01:16:06,695 --> 01:16:11,033 over 10,000 miles per hour saying, just gone. 1562 01:16:11,066 --> 01:16:13,502 It's just instant like that so it's incredible. 1563 01:16:13,535 --> 01:16:16,204 But the underwater object, 1564 01:16:16,238 --> 01:16:18,607 there's not a whole lot that's discussed about this. 1565 01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:19,942 Like, what would this thing do? 1566 01:16:19,975 --> 01:16:21,452 I'm gonna take a guess that it just went 1567 01:16:21,476 --> 01:16:24,079 (imitating whooshing) below and just took off. 1568 01:16:24,112 --> 01:16:27,983 And these things can move fast, real fast under the water. 1569 01:16:28,016 --> 01:16:31,753 - [Darcy] So, you know, one could even just based 1570 01:16:31,787 --> 01:16:33,989 on the story and how everybody focuses 1571 01:16:34,022 --> 01:16:38,994 on the object, the Tic-Tac that was in the air, you know, 1572 01:16:39,027 --> 01:16:44,232 and the media, let's say, or UFO investigators focus 1573 01:16:44,266 --> 01:16:46,868 on that, but also the pilots. 1574 01:16:46,902 --> 01:16:49,771 So you can almost say that mission accomplished, 1575 01:16:49,805 --> 01:16:52,207 whatever the Tic-Tac's mission might've been was, 1576 01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:55,644 okay, now I've gotta take the attention off of what's here. 1577 01:16:55,677 --> 01:16:58,580 I'm gonna go up in the air confuse 1578 01:16:58,614 --> 01:17:00,949 and distract the pilots and then shoot off. 1579 01:17:00,983 --> 01:17:02,918 - Okay. That's a heck of a theory. 1580 01:17:02,951 --> 01:17:04,987 That's a really interesting idea. 1581 01:17:05,020 --> 01:17:05,854 - [Darcy] Right? 1582 01:17:05,887 --> 01:17:06,898 - I hadn't thought of that 1583 01:17:06,922 --> 01:17:08,924 but I think what, what you're 1584 01:17:08,957 --> 01:17:11,660 at least suggesting here makes a lot of sense. 1585 01:17:11,693 --> 01:17:15,530 There's this major USO object under the water, 1586 01:17:15,564 --> 01:17:18,166 and you got the Tic-Tac. 1587 01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:20,502 That's like the distract, that's like, you know, 1588 01:17:20,535 --> 01:17:22,447 when you have the dog racing, they're chasing the bunny? 1589 01:17:22,471 --> 01:17:24,339 - [Darcy] Yeah. It's like, hey guys. 1590 01:17:24,373 --> 01:17:25,683 - [Richard] That's what the Tic-Tac was. Just go after that. 1591 01:17:25,707 --> 01:17:27,142 - [Darcy] Yeah. 1592 01:17:43,191 --> 01:17:46,862 - It was very similar to what Jeremy publicized 1593 01:17:46,895 --> 01:17:50,699 from 2019 and 2020, like the drone swarm. 1594 01:17:50,732 --> 01:17:53,001 And I don't have it in front of me, I'm gonna have 1595 01:17:53,035 --> 01:17:54,670 to give you this information, 1596 01:17:54,703 --> 01:17:56,905 but it's, I think from about 2007, 1597 01:17:56,938 --> 01:17:59,741 and it was written into, I think it was written 1598 01:17:59,775 --> 01:18:02,377 into George Filer's Filer's File website. 1599 01:18:02,411 --> 01:18:06,915 And he's describing their activity 1600 01:18:06,948 --> 01:18:09,051 off the southern California coast, 1601 01:18:09,084 --> 01:18:10,986 off the coast of San Diego. 1602 01:18:11,019 --> 01:18:13,955 It's very similar to what you we're currently getting. 1603 01:18:13,989 --> 01:18:17,426 And he just said, late at night, "We had a swarm 1604 01:18:17,459 --> 01:18:20,996 of objects over our ship. 1605 01:18:21,029 --> 01:18:22,674 We were completely unable to deal with this." 1606 01:18:22,698 --> 01:18:25,333 He said, "They came in 1607 01:18:25,367 --> 01:18:27,636 and they did all of these incredible maneuvers. 1608 01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:29,638 Like one was almost like a check mark maneuver, 1609 01:18:29,671 --> 01:18:33,608 like a sharp angle maneuver over the ship. 1610 01:18:33,642 --> 01:18:35,610 We were absolutely helpless." 1611 01:18:35,644 --> 01:18:36,888 He said, I spoke to the commander 1612 01:18:36,912 --> 01:18:39,314 or the captain who said to me 1613 01:18:39,347 --> 01:18:43,618 at that time, my computer system was not working. 1614 01:18:43,652 --> 01:18:45,754 It stopped working. 1615 01:18:45,787 --> 01:18:50,325 And this guy just wrote anonymously 1616 01:18:50,358 --> 01:18:52,928 to George Filer's website at that time. 1617 01:18:52,961 --> 01:18:57,365 It's a 2007 case and I'm gonna give you visuals 1618 01:18:57,399 --> 01:18:59,000 that he could, 1619 01:18:59,034 --> 01:19:00,936 I'll give it to you. it's good. 1620 01:19:06,475 --> 01:19:08,777 - [Darcy] It's important to remember 1621 01:19:08,810 --> 01:19:12,347 these objects have mastery in navigating our atmosphere 1622 01:19:12,380 --> 01:19:15,417 as well as our oceans. 1623 01:19:15,450 --> 01:19:19,921 My next stop was with friends Anthony Esemplare 1624 01:19:19,955 --> 01:19:23,692 and Andy Marcial to discuss their involvement 1625 01:19:23,725 --> 01:19:28,630 with researching recently recorded UFO videos 1626 01:19:28,663 --> 01:19:32,334 from the Department of Homeland Security. 1627 01:19:35,170 --> 01:19:36,705 - Andy. Welcome, good to have you here. 1628 01:19:36,738 --> 01:19:38,116 Thanks for meeting up. - Thank you. No problem. 1629 01:19:38,140 --> 01:19:41,409 - So what got you started with the whole UAP phenomenon 1630 01:19:41,443 --> 01:19:43,378 and New York UAP discussion? 1631 01:19:43,411 --> 01:19:45,747 I'm anxious to know. 1632 01:19:45,781 --> 01:19:47,592 - Well, it all started with a personal experience 1633 01:19:47,616 --> 01:19:48,917 of mine when I was younger. 1634 01:19:50,118 --> 01:19:54,122 And basically what happened with me kind of gote 1635 01:19:54,156 --> 01:19:56,234 to dive into the subject to try and figure out exactly 1636 01:19:56,258 --> 01:19:58,894 what it was that I saw, what I experienced. 1637 01:19:58,927 --> 01:20:01,363 And eventually throughout the years, 1638 01:20:01,396 --> 01:20:03,165 I started getting a little frustrated 1639 01:20:03,198 --> 01:20:05,433 with all the misinformation that was being put out there 1640 01:20:05,467 --> 01:20:08,637 and decided to do something about it and created my page 1641 01:20:08,670 --> 01:20:11,306 and that's basically where it all started from after that. 1642 01:20:11,339 --> 01:20:14,075 - And what are your thoughts on the USO situation? 1643 01:20:14,109 --> 01:20:16,144 I mean, I film here nightly 1644 01:20:16,178 --> 01:20:17,722 and it's almost every night you catch something 1645 01:20:17,746 --> 01:20:20,182 that you can't explain. 1646 01:20:20,215 --> 01:20:23,185 And I'm using data that shows you tracking 1647 01:20:23,218 --> 01:20:26,521 for satellites, tracking for unmanned aerial vehicles, 1648 01:20:26,555 --> 01:20:29,925 the International Space Station, Elon Musk projects. 1649 01:20:29,958 --> 01:20:31,760 And it's none of the above 1650 01:20:31,793 --> 01:20:34,095 when I searched some of these crafts. 1651 01:20:34,129 --> 01:20:36,198 So it's either top secret covert military projects, 1652 01:20:36,231 --> 01:20:39,568 or it's extraterrestrial in origin. 1653 01:20:39,601 --> 01:20:41,036 What are your thoughts? 1654 01:20:41,069 --> 01:20:42,880 - Well, from research, I know that this is something 1655 01:20:42,904 --> 01:20:45,373 that goes back thousands of years, you know, 1656 01:20:45,407 --> 01:20:48,276 so it's not like anything could just be attributed 1657 01:20:48,310 --> 01:20:49,854 to Russia or China, you know what I mean? 1658 01:20:49,878 --> 01:20:51,179 Like, you have to, 1659 01:20:51,213 --> 01:20:53,081 if you're gonna research this, you have 1660 01:20:53,114 --> 01:20:55,483 to research it correctly and go back to the beginning. 1661 01:20:55,517 --> 01:20:57,552 You can't just cherry pick 1662 01:20:57,586 --> 01:20:59,754 and decide to, oh, I wanna start from here. 1663 01:20:59,788 --> 01:21:01,199 No, you gotta go back to the beginning. 1664 01:21:01,223 --> 01:21:03,058 So there are things up there that, 1665 01:21:03,091 --> 01:21:06,328 you know, we've been seeing for thousands of years 1666 01:21:06,361 --> 01:21:10,866 that, you know, we attributed to religion, you know, 1667 01:21:10,899 --> 01:21:12,376 in the past and we attributed to things 1668 01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:14,936 that, you know, we just didn't understand 1669 01:21:14,970 --> 01:21:17,305 and we're still seeing them to this day. 1670 01:21:17,339 --> 01:21:18,749 We're just getting a little more understanding 1671 01:21:18,773 --> 01:21:20,375 and we're starting to see 1672 01:21:20,408 --> 01:21:22,811 that, you know, this is a phenomenon 1673 01:21:22,844 --> 01:21:25,080 that's been around now for quite some time. 1674 01:21:25,113 --> 01:21:28,216 And I feel like we just need 1675 01:21:28,250 --> 01:21:31,019 to start taking it a little more serious 1676 01:21:31,052 --> 01:21:32,854 to get a real understanding of what it is 1677 01:21:32,888 --> 01:21:34,923 that we're dealing with, basically. 1678 01:21:34,956 --> 01:21:38,226 - And by the way, there's a lot of USO cases 1679 01:21:38,260 --> 01:21:44,599 of these perfect, like orange red spheres, perfect. 1680 01:21:44,866 --> 01:21:47,802 I think one of the earliest great ones 1681 01:21:47,836 --> 01:21:51,306 that I came across was from 1825. 1682 01:21:51,506 --> 01:21:52,908 - [Darcy] Wow. 1683 01:21:52,941 --> 01:21:54,485 - In the Pacific, not off the coast of Hawaii, 1684 01:21:54,509 --> 01:21:55,443 but out in the ocean. 1685 01:21:55,477 --> 01:21:56,711 It's a British ship. 1686 01:21:56,745 --> 01:22:00,448 Think of the old, you know, wooden ships with the sails. 1687 01:22:02,450 --> 01:22:03,952 - [Darcy] A Man-of-war or something. 1688 01:22:03,985 --> 01:22:06,087 - [Richard] Yeah, it's a British ship 1689 01:22:06,121 --> 01:22:09,891 and aboard this ship was a naturalist named Andrew Bloxam. 1690 01:22:09,925 --> 01:22:10,792 - [Darcy] Gotta always have those, right? 1691 01:22:10,825 --> 01:22:12,327 - [Richard] Yes. 1692 01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:13,261 - [Darcy] Darwin, whatever. 1693 01:22:13,295 --> 01:22:14,629 - Absolutely. That's right. 1694 01:22:14,663 --> 01:22:16,698 Master and commander, they had their naturalist. 1695 01:22:16,731 --> 01:22:18,767 So this was a naturalist, 1825. 1696 01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:22,170 And in fact, we have the data. 1697 01:22:22,203 --> 01:22:23,738 I can probably get it to you. 1698 01:22:23,772 --> 01:22:27,275 If you wanna look at it, I've got it on my computer here. 1699 01:22:27,309 --> 01:22:33,348 But he said, 3:30 a.m., we're in August of 1825. 1700 01:22:33,615 --> 01:22:34,816 So imagine it's 3:30 a.m., 1701 01:22:34,849 --> 01:22:37,752 you're in the ship in the Pacific. 1702 01:22:37,786 --> 01:22:39,955 It's gotta be just black all around. 1703 01:22:39,988 --> 01:22:41,289 Are you getting me? 1704 01:22:41,323 --> 01:22:43,825 I don't know what the moon was on that night. 1705 01:22:43,858 --> 01:22:44,936 So maybe there might have been a little bit moonlight, 1706 01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,629 but not much going on there. 1707 01:22:47,662 --> 01:22:52,300 And he said, out of nowhere, the watch reported this 1708 01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:55,003 bright orange red object. 1709 01:22:55,036 --> 01:22:58,340 He said the color of a cannon shot 1710 01:22:59,207 --> 01:23:02,410 so like an orangey red type thing comes up out 1711 01:23:02,444 --> 01:23:07,682 of the water and actually came up outta the water, 1712 01:23:09,050 --> 01:23:14,055 went down into the water, came up a second time, 1713 01:23:15,256 --> 01:23:17,125 and then went down into the water again. 1714 01:23:17,158 --> 01:23:19,694 He said it was so bright you could have picked 1715 01:23:19,728 --> 01:23:22,630 up a pin off the floor of the deck. 1716 01:23:22,664 --> 01:23:24,966 - [Darcy] Wow. So the mini sun. 1717 01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,535 - Yes, it was. He said it was extremely bright. 1718 01:23:27,569 --> 01:23:32,474 And so when I read that report, that's one 1719 01:23:32,507 --> 01:23:36,011 of the earliest really excellent USO reports 1720 01:23:36,044 --> 01:23:39,047 that when I read it, I think, I believe this 1721 01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:41,783 because his description is very, very factual. 1722 01:23:43,618 --> 01:23:47,122 He's not trying to connect this to prodigies in the sky 1723 01:23:47,155 --> 01:23:49,824 and signs, which is what you get in the ancient times. 1724 01:23:49,858 --> 01:23:51,693 - [Darcy] Right. Spirits. 1725 01:23:51,726 --> 01:23:54,562 - Yeah and like this means that, 1726 01:23:54,596 --> 01:23:56,131 and that kind of thing was very common 1727 01:23:56,164 --> 01:23:59,100 with ancient UFO sightings. 1728 01:23:59,134 --> 01:24:00,277 And we don't really know what those most 1729 01:24:00,301 --> 01:24:02,070 of those things were, frankly. 1730 01:24:02,103 --> 01:24:05,607 But in this case, I think Bloxam was very specific. 1731 01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:07,375 He was very technical, very, 1732 01:24:07,409 --> 01:24:09,044 I would almost say scientific about it. 1733 01:24:09,077 --> 01:24:11,613 - Matter of fact. - Matter of fact, exactly. 1734 01:24:11,646 --> 01:24:16,751 But it's this blood red orangy ball, this sphere. 1735 01:24:16,785 --> 01:24:18,629 - I'm sure you've come to draw your own conclusions. 1736 01:24:18,653 --> 01:24:20,422 I know I have. 1737 01:24:20,455 --> 01:24:22,090 Why do you think that the water is 1738 01:24:22,123 --> 01:24:24,292 so important to these crafts? 1739 01:24:24,325 --> 01:24:28,463 What's it about our oceans that attract them to it? 1740 01:24:28,496 --> 01:24:35,103 - Personally, I believe that they reside in our oceans. 1741 01:24:35,370 --> 01:24:37,038 I believe that they have bases 1742 01:24:37,072 --> 01:24:39,641 or underground facilities that, I mean, 1743 01:24:39,674 --> 01:24:42,544 if you're trying to stay away from us, 1744 01:24:42,577 --> 01:24:45,046 but also stay on this planet, then the best place to go to 1745 01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:47,382 where they're not gonna interfere with us 1746 01:24:47,415 --> 01:24:48,659 or we're not gonna interfere with them, would be the oceans 1747 01:24:48,683 --> 01:24:50,718 'cause we still, even today 1748 01:24:50,752 --> 01:24:51,962 in 2023, we don't have the technology like that 1749 01:24:51,986 --> 01:24:55,390 to traverse the waters. 1750 01:24:55,423 --> 01:24:57,468 In any real, like, meaningful way, it still takes us forever 1751 01:24:57,492 --> 01:24:59,627 to do anything in the water. 1752 01:24:59,661 --> 01:25:01,763 So that's a perfect location to be in if you're trying 1753 01:25:01,796 --> 01:25:05,033 to keep a specific distance or a certain distance from us. 1754 01:25:05,066 --> 01:25:09,537 And I feel that they call the ocean their home, 1755 01:25:09,571 --> 01:25:11,539 or at least whatever species is 1756 01:25:11,573 --> 01:25:13,475 down there, calls it their home. 1757 01:25:13,508 --> 01:25:16,811 - Do you feel at some point, maybe marine biologists 1758 01:25:16,845 --> 01:25:19,347 or oceanographers, they're gonna actually spot something 1759 01:25:19,380 --> 01:25:22,417 under the water at some time and we're gonna be led 1760 01:25:22,450 --> 01:25:24,419 to find out that there really is an actual base 1761 01:25:24,452 --> 01:25:26,988 under the water not too far off? 1762 01:25:27,021 --> 01:25:28,490 - Well, that's happened already. 1763 01:25:28,523 --> 01:25:30,859 As a matter of fact, I've seen video 1764 01:25:30,892 --> 01:25:35,430 of, I believe it's Discovery Channel, I believet was, 1765 01:25:35,964 --> 01:25:39,300 underwater photographers that spoke about these things. 1766 01:25:39,334 --> 01:25:42,137 And shortly after they made these mentions, 1767 01:25:42,170 --> 01:25:44,105 the videos were removed. 1768 01:25:44,139 --> 01:25:46,040 And I found that kind of interesting 1769 01:25:46,074 --> 01:25:47,675 because he specifically stated 1770 01:25:47,709 --> 01:25:49,844 that the creatures he had come into contact with, 1771 01:25:49,878 --> 01:25:51,579 or the things they had come 1772 01:25:51,613 --> 01:25:56,017 into contact with were almost like, 1773 01:25:56,818 --> 01:25:59,787 they weren't anything from this planet. 1774 01:25:59,821 --> 01:26:02,590 It seemed more like it came from elsewhere 1775 01:26:02,624 --> 01:26:04,392 and it showed like a level of intelligence. 1776 01:26:04,425 --> 01:26:06,728 And I found that interesting. 1777 01:26:06,761 --> 01:26:10,131 But there's tons of stories, there's tons of accounts 1778 01:26:10,165 --> 01:26:13,001 of things that have been seen in the oceans 1779 01:26:13,034 --> 01:26:17,405 that you can't attribute it with, you know, normal biology. 1780 01:26:17,438 --> 01:26:19,474 Like it's definitely something that's down there 1781 01:26:19,507 --> 01:26:23,111 that, you know, is, I don't know 1782 01:26:23,144 --> 01:26:26,381 how else you could say it is, it's not part of us. 1783 01:26:26,414 --> 01:26:27,515 You know what I mean? 1784 01:26:27,549 --> 01:26:29,284 Like it's either came from somewhere 1785 01:26:29,317 --> 01:26:30,685 or has been here longer than us 1786 01:26:30,718 --> 01:26:32,429 and it just wants to keep its distance from us. 1787 01:26:32,453 --> 01:26:34,222 - Extraterrestrial in origin, yeah. 1788 01:26:34,255 --> 01:26:37,458 You know, I wonder what kind of technology they're using 1789 01:26:37,492 --> 01:26:40,562 'cause they definitely cloaking the craft in some way 1790 01:26:40,595 --> 01:26:45,066 because I've watched very vibrant, brilliant lit orb craft 1791 01:26:45,099 --> 01:26:48,903 a couple thousand feet in the atmosphere, fly over, hit it 1792 01:26:48,937 --> 01:26:50,481 with a laser point, and all of a sudden it starts 1793 01:26:50,505 --> 01:26:52,674 to fade out and just disappear. 1794 01:26:52,707 --> 01:26:54,142 Matter of fact, year and a half ago, 1795 01:26:54,175 --> 01:26:56,044 I filmed an orange object 1796 01:26:56,077 --> 01:26:59,414 over the ocean right here by Fort Earle Naval Station. 1797 01:26:59,447 --> 01:27:02,116 The only strange thing was three hours prior, 1798 01:27:02,150 --> 01:27:05,286 SpaceX had a launch, three hours prior in Florida. 1799 01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:07,155 Now we were in New York. 1800 01:27:07,188 --> 01:27:08,799 You couldn't see Florida if you wanted to, 1801 01:27:08,823 --> 01:27:12,093 or a SpaceX launch from Florida if you wanted to. 1802 01:27:12,126 --> 01:27:13,928 And I have no idea what this orange craft was 1803 01:27:13,962 --> 01:27:15,296 that went up in the sky. 1804 01:27:15,330 --> 01:27:17,799 It had the characteristics of a launch, 1805 01:27:17,832 --> 01:27:19,834 but it kind of looked like that cone shape 1806 01:27:19,867 --> 01:27:23,271 with the bowl on top but it just sat there silently. 1807 01:27:23,304 --> 01:27:26,608 And the strangest part about the whole thing was 1808 01:27:26,641 --> 01:27:28,085 without night vision, you couldn't physically see it 1809 01:27:28,109 --> 01:27:29,877 with the naked eye. 1810 01:27:30,845 --> 01:27:32,914 It was not observable to the human eye. 1811 01:27:32,947 --> 01:27:34,425 But once you put the night vision on it, it was there 1812 01:27:34,449 --> 01:27:36,284 and it just sat in the sky 1813 01:27:36,317 --> 01:27:38,419 and you actually see these little orbs releasing 1814 01:27:38,453 --> 01:27:40,255 from it into the water. 1815 01:27:40,288 --> 01:27:41,789 No sound, no, nothing, 1816 01:27:41,823 --> 01:27:43,334 it was the strangest thing I ever seen. 1817 01:27:43,358 --> 01:27:44,959 But like I was saying, 1818 01:27:44,993 --> 01:27:47,662 being that Fort Earle Naval Station's right there, 1819 01:27:47,695 --> 01:27:51,633 could the military be maybe testing craft 1820 01:27:51,666 --> 01:27:53,868 that they've retrieved, crash retrieval craft 1821 01:27:53,901 --> 01:27:55,713 and putting them up and testing them at the base 1822 01:27:55,737 --> 01:27:57,705 and then dropping them back down cloaked 1823 01:27:57,739 --> 01:27:58,916 so we don't really see what's going on? 1824 01:27:58,940 --> 01:28:02,443 We're only getting a glimpse into that world. 1825 01:28:02,477 --> 01:28:05,246 - I mean yeah, especially now with all the information 1826 01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:08,349 that's been coming out with whistleblowers. 1827 01:28:08,383 --> 01:28:12,253 And if you go back, you know, researching old documents 1828 01:28:12,287 --> 01:28:16,124 with, you know, CIA and all the information 1829 01:28:16,157 --> 01:28:21,195 that has leaked in the sense, quote unquote, it shows you 1830 01:28:21,496 --> 01:28:23,898 that they've been reverse engineering this stuff. 1831 01:28:23,931 --> 01:28:26,134 I mean, going back to the times of Hitler. 1832 01:28:26,167 --> 01:28:28,803 We all know that Hitler was very much interested into this 1833 01:28:28,836 --> 01:28:32,974 and now also with the whole 1933 Italy incident 1834 01:28:33,007 --> 01:28:36,077 that now that's been found to have been, you know, true. 1835 01:28:36,110 --> 01:28:39,180 It did happen. A craft did crash there. 1836 01:28:39,213 --> 01:28:42,984 So if that was documented then, 1837 01:28:43,017 --> 01:28:46,788 and Hitler was interested in researching anti-gravity, 1838 01:28:46,821 --> 01:28:49,791 and then after the war, we enacted Project Paperclip 1839 01:28:49,824 --> 01:28:52,260 to get these scientists to come over. 1840 01:28:52,293 --> 01:28:54,729 I mean, there's no doubt in my mind 1841 01:28:54,762 --> 01:28:57,799 that we've already accomplished that. 1842 01:28:57,832 --> 01:29:00,268 We've already created that technology 1843 01:29:00,301 --> 01:29:02,103 and more than likely have perfected it 1844 01:29:02,136 --> 01:29:04,972 and testing it in various different ways 1845 01:29:05,006 --> 01:29:07,975 but it still doesn't explain the other sightings 1846 01:29:08,009 --> 01:29:10,211 that just have no explanation. 1847 01:29:10,244 --> 01:29:11,546 You know what I'm saying? - Sure. 1848 01:29:11,579 --> 01:29:13,748 - Like things that you just can't attribute to military 1849 01:29:13,781 --> 01:29:15,817 because it's been happening for far longer 1850 01:29:15,850 --> 01:29:18,019 than military has had that access to that technology. 1851 01:29:19,754 --> 01:29:21,823 - I do not know what that is. 1852 01:29:24,325 --> 01:29:26,427 What? 1853 01:29:27,795 --> 01:29:30,832 I do not know what this anomaly is. 1854 01:29:31,599 --> 01:29:34,469 Unbelievable. It is just there. 1855 01:29:34,502 --> 01:29:35,937 So let me ask you this. 1856 01:29:35,970 --> 01:29:37,581 I'm an experience in myself, had an encounter back 1857 01:29:37,605 --> 01:29:40,074 in 1993, changed my life. 1858 01:29:40,108 --> 01:29:42,844 But since Congress has come forward 1859 01:29:42,877 --> 01:29:44,488 and our naval aviators are coming forward now 1860 01:29:44,512 --> 01:29:46,481 with information plus all the 1861 01:29:46,514 --> 01:29:48,249 whistleblower testimony that's coming. 1862 01:29:48,282 --> 01:29:49,560 In a couple weeks, we're gonna have 1863 01:29:49,584 --> 01:29:51,786 more whistleblower testimony coming. 1864 01:29:51,819 --> 01:29:54,455 Do you feel somewhat vindicated now in your research? 1865 01:29:55,256 --> 01:29:56,824 - It's funny you mentioned 1993, 1866 01:29:56,858 --> 01:29:59,127 because that's when I had my close encounter. 1867 01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:00,061 - Really? - In Long Island. Yes. 1868 01:30:00,094 --> 01:30:01,162 - Wow. - Believe it or not. 1869 01:30:01,195 --> 01:30:02,864 So that's interesting. 1870 01:30:02,897 --> 01:30:05,600 But yeah, with everything going on, absolutely. 1871 01:30:05,633 --> 01:30:08,603 It's huge vindication because for 1872 01:30:08,636 --> 01:30:10,972 how many years have they been calling us kooks 1873 01:30:11,005 --> 01:30:13,708 and tinfoil high wearing, you know, weirdos. 1874 01:30:13,741 --> 01:30:16,711 And didn't even like, like fear saying it 1875 01:30:16,744 --> 01:30:19,680 in public, you know, ridiculing us 1876 01:30:19,714 --> 01:30:20,681 and now they come forward and talk about it 1877 01:30:20,715 --> 01:30:22,350 and admit it like it's nothing. 1878 01:30:22,383 --> 01:30:24,118 It's like, really? 1879 01:30:24,152 --> 01:30:28,089 So yeah, it's vindication and also it gets you angry 1880 01:30:28,122 --> 01:30:30,792 because it's like, you know, you guys have been lying 1881 01:30:30,825 --> 01:30:33,728 to us and you knew you were lying to us. 1882 01:30:33,761 --> 01:30:36,063 And now you're coming forward this way 1883 01:30:36,097 --> 01:30:38,099 and not even an apology to everybody that you, 1884 01:30:38,132 --> 01:30:41,102 lives you ruined and you know, the ridicule 1885 01:30:41,135 --> 01:30:43,271 that you've made people go through and experience. 1886 01:30:43,304 --> 01:30:45,106 So yeah, it's- 1887 01:30:45,139 --> 01:30:47,642 - Nevermind the friendship's lost, the family's members 1888 01:30:47,675 --> 01:30:48,943 telling you that you're crazy 1889 01:30:48,976 --> 01:30:50,354 and you don't know what you're talking about. 1890 01:30:50,378 --> 01:30:51,779 - Lives lost. - Inside, you know, 1891 01:30:51,813 --> 01:30:54,449 the whole time, I know what I seen. 1892 01:30:54,482 --> 01:30:56,984 I know it was not, you know, from this world. 1893 01:30:57,018 --> 01:30:59,187 I know I'm right and one day I'm gonna be vindicated. 1894 01:30:59,220 --> 01:31:02,857 And here we are today in 2023, we're about to be vindicated. 1895 01:31:02,890 --> 01:31:04,926 I mean, these are dynamite times. 1896 01:31:04,959 --> 01:31:07,628 Talk a little bit about the rubber duck footage 1897 01:31:07,662 --> 01:31:09,530 that you had captured that time 1898 01:31:09,564 --> 01:31:11,732 'cause that was pretty fascinating. 1899 01:31:11,766 --> 01:31:13,768 - I mean, if you want I have, we could go 1900 01:31:13,801 --> 01:31:15,436 and see the videos themselves 1901 01:31:15,470 --> 01:31:17,070 and we could talk about them if you want. 1902 01:31:26,013 --> 01:31:28,616 - Hey man, how are you? - Good, man. 1903 01:31:28,649 --> 01:31:30,327 - Thanks for coming back. - No problem, man. 1904 01:31:30,351 --> 01:31:32,053 - Let's talk about your videos. 1905 01:31:33,221 --> 01:31:39,894 Let's chat about your experience with this UAP footage 1906 01:31:39,927 --> 01:31:43,064 that's become pretty famous recently. 1907 01:31:43,097 --> 01:31:45,132 - Infamous. 1908 01:31:45,166 --> 01:31:47,635 - [Darcy] Hey, some people can call infamous, right? 1909 01:31:47,668 --> 01:31:52,540 But I'm sure you've got a bit of emotion attached to it 1910 01:31:52,573 --> 01:31:55,409 because of the fact that you went through an ordeal 1911 01:31:55,443 --> 01:31:57,144 with releasing it, right? 1912 01:31:57,178 --> 01:31:58,646 - Yeah. 1913 01:31:58,679 --> 01:32:01,782 - [Darcy] So how did you come 1914 01:32:01,816 --> 01:32:06,254 across this rubber duck UAP video? 1915 01:32:08,022 --> 01:32:10,758 - Well, it was actually through my Instagram channel. 1916 01:32:10,791 --> 01:32:14,595 I was reached out by an individual 1917 01:32:14,629 --> 01:32:19,000 who originally had taken cell phone footage 1918 01:32:19,033 --> 01:32:21,936 from his computer screen at his office. 1919 01:32:21,969 --> 01:32:25,640 And basically, you know, reached out 1920 01:32:25,673 --> 01:32:26,984 and told me, "I think, you know, I have something 1921 01:32:27,008 --> 01:32:29,277 I think you're gonna find very interesting." 1922 01:32:29,310 --> 01:32:30,354 And he was like, "Take a look at this 1923 01:32:30,378 --> 01:32:31,946 and tell me what you think." 1924 01:32:31,979 --> 01:32:36,784 So I opened it up and I instantly realized 1925 01:32:36,817 --> 01:32:40,955 that, you know, okay, well, I'm seeing something legitimate. 1926 01:32:40,988 --> 01:32:43,000 Like I already know the layout of FLIR and everything 1927 01:32:43,024 --> 01:32:45,068 so I'm like, all right, this is new, this is interesting 1928 01:32:45,092 --> 01:32:48,062 'cause the first video that he sent me was the A-10. 1929 01:32:48,095 --> 01:32:49,964 I'm not sure if you've seen that one, 1930 01:32:49,997 --> 01:32:52,833 but it's the A-10 Warthog where it shows an object comg in 1931 01:32:52,867 --> 01:32:55,703 to view and actually following the A-10. 1932 01:32:55,736 --> 01:33:00,641 And once I saw that, I got very interested 1933 01:33:00,675 --> 01:33:02,944 and told him, you know, what is this? 1934 01:33:02,977 --> 01:33:04,412 Who are you? 1935 01:33:04,445 --> 01:33:06,614 And asked him all sorts of questions trying 1936 01:33:06,647 --> 01:33:08,249 to verify who this individual was 1937 01:33:08,282 --> 01:33:09,617 and how he got this footage. 1938 01:33:09,650 --> 01:33:13,788 And he told me he was a border patrol agent. 1939 01:33:13,821 --> 01:33:16,524 And that, you know, this footage has been 1940 01:33:16,557 --> 01:33:18,225 in their possession now for a long time 1941 01:33:18,259 --> 01:33:20,061 and it's been in a folder 1942 01:33:20,094 --> 01:33:22,763 where they keep all these anomalous objects 1943 01:33:22,797 --> 01:33:24,632 and nobody, you know, could explain 1944 01:33:24,665 --> 01:33:26,701 or understand what it was. 1945 01:33:26,734 --> 01:33:28,669 And they would kind of just show it, you know, 1946 01:33:28,703 --> 01:33:30,237 to people in the office to try 1947 01:33:30,271 --> 01:33:32,473 and get their, you know, reactions to what it could be 1948 01:33:32,506 --> 01:33:34,809 or, you know, try and get an understanding 1949 01:33:34,842 --> 01:33:37,945 of what the object in the footage was. 1950 01:33:37,979 --> 01:33:40,023 He mentioned to me that there was more than one video 1951 01:33:40,047 --> 01:33:44,518 and after some persuasion was able to get him 1952 01:33:44,552 --> 01:33:46,654 to actually send me the original files 1953 01:33:46,687 --> 01:33:50,424 and that's where the rubber duck was included 1954 01:33:51,692 --> 01:33:54,495 in those files that he sent me. 1955 01:33:54,528 --> 01:33:57,965 And I kind of realized at that moment 1956 01:33:57,999 --> 01:34:00,601 that, okay, I got my hands on something pretty remarkable 1957 01:34:00,635 --> 01:34:03,170 'cause I've been researching this for years 1958 01:34:03,204 --> 01:34:06,807 and I've never seen anything legitimate like 1959 01:34:06,841 --> 01:34:10,211 that coming from a, I would say government 1960 01:34:10,244 --> 01:34:14,015 or military source in its entirety, in its original format 1961 01:34:14,048 --> 01:34:18,285 with, you know, nobody, you know, like, cutting into it 1962 01:34:18,319 --> 01:34:20,621 or removing anything, it's all unedited raw footage. 1963 01:34:20,655 --> 01:34:22,289 So that's when I was like, 1964 01:34:22,323 --> 01:34:24,825 okay, I just landed something pretty big. 1965 01:34:24,859 --> 01:34:26,961 At least that's what I was thinking 1966 01:34:26,994 --> 01:34:29,497 because of, you know, my line of research. 1967 01:34:29,530 --> 01:34:30,931 Never seen it before 1968 01:34:30,965 --> 01:34:32,175 and all of a sudden I got it in my hands. 1969 01:34:32,199 --> 01:34:33,310 I'm like, holy crap, you know, like, 1970 01:34:33,334 --> 01:34:35,069 what do I do with this? 1971 01:34:35,102 --> 01:34:37,271 And basically that's how it started 1972 01:34:37,304 --> 01:34:39,774 and where, you know, took off from there. 1973 01:34:40,641 --> 01:34:42,543 - [Darcy] So what happened next? 1974 01:34:42,576 --> 01:34:45,046 You posted on Instagram or YouTube 1975 01:34:45,079 --> 01:34:49,483 and then people started scrutinizing the video? 1976 01:34:49,517 --> 01:34:52,153 - No, actually I didn't. 1977 01:34:52,186 --> 01:34:57,525 I first released the cell phone recording of the A-10. 1978 01:34:58,192 --> 01:35:00,428 That was the very first one that he had sent me 1979 01:35:00,461 --> 01:35:03,297 and, you know, I got permission from him to share that. 1980 01:35:03,330 --> 01:35:07,468 Once I got the other videos, the rubber duck one, 1981 01:35:07,501 --> 01:35:09,270 I didn't release to anyone 1982 01:35:09,303 --> 01:35:11,439 because it was the most significant one. 1983 01:35:11,472 --> 01:35:14,675 It was a total of two clips that totaled 60 minutes, 1984 01:35:14,709 --> 01:35:16,844 if I'm not mistaken, 60 minutes total 1985 01:35:16,877 --> 01:35:20,247 and 40 full minutes of the object 1986 01:35:20,281 --> 01:35:24,185 in question, the anomalous object, which is unheard of. 1987 01:35:24,218 --> 01:35:26,821 I've never seen any video out there coming 1988 01:35:26,854 --> 01:35:30,991 from a source like this that was that long. 1989 01:35:31,025 --> 01:35:34,128 You know, usually, for example, like Tic-Tac 1990 01:35:34,161 --> 01:35:36,330 or whatever is a few seconds and that's it, you know. 1991 01:35:36,363 --> 01:35:40,901 So I realized, okay, I have to do something 1992 01:35:40,935 --> 01:35:43,337 with this footage and not just throw it out there. 1993 01:35:43,370 --> 01:35:46,941 Like I want to go through the correct avenues 1994 01:35:46,974 --> 01:35:49,110 to actually get this properly analyzed 1995 01:35:49,143 --> 01:35:51,121 before I put it out there, because this is important. 1996 01:35:51,145 --> 01:35:53,781 I knew that this was something that really needed 1997 01:35:53,814 --> 01:35:56,717 to be put in the hands of people that were going 1998 01:35:56,751 --> 01:35:57,928 to take it serious and analyze it 1999 01:35:57,952 --> 01:36:00,421 for real 'cause of its importance. 2000 01:36:00,454 --> 01:36:03,457 And that's when I had gotten in contact with an individual 2001 01:36:03,491 --> 01:36:07,394 at the SCU, the Scientific Coalition for UAP studies named 2002 01:36:07,428 --> 01:36:12,199 Peter Reali and sent him the footage, introduced him 2003 01:36:12,233 --> 01:36:14,802 to the source, which wanted to remain anonymous. 2004 01:36:14,835 --> 01:36:16,871 But through them, you know, I was able 2005 01:36:16,904 --> 01:36:20,141 to convince him to verify who he was 2006 01:36:20,174 --> 01:36:22,243 and show them all the information they needed 2007 01:36:22,276 --> 01:36:25,045 to see in order to verify that yes, the source is 2008 01:36:25,079 --> 01:36:26,847 who says he is, and we're getting this 2009 01:36:26,881 --> 01:36:28,749 from an authentic individual 2010 01:36:28,783 --> 01:36:31,118 in Department of Homeland Security. 2011 01:36:31,152 --> 01:36:33,521 - [Darcy] Why does the object look like it's two objects 2012 01:36:33,554 --> 01:36:35,356 at certain times? 2013 01:36:35,389 --> 01:36:38,159 Like a little ball and then like this kind 2014 01:36:38,192 --> 01:36:40,461 of like bell underneath it. 2015 01:36:40,494 --> 01:36:42,530 - [Andy] It's 'cause it actually is two objects, 2016 01:36:42,563 --> 01:36:44,632 but the analysis showed 2017 01:36:44,665 --> 01:36:47,368 that the bottom is separate from the top. 2018 01:36:47,401 --> 01:36:52,106 So somehow it's one object, but there's no- 2019 01:36:52,139 --> 01:36:53,374 - [Darcy] Working together. 2020 01:36:53,407 --> 01:36:54,985 - [Andy] Yeah, it's almost like working together 2021 01:36:55,009 --> 01:36:57,178 because they weren't able to find any evidence 2022 01:36:57,211 --> 01:37:00,915 of anything that was attaching the two together. 2023 01:37:00,948 --> 01:37:03,851 So you have a larger and then a smaller orb at the top 2024 01:37:03,884 --> 01:37:05,595 and as you could see they're working together 2025 01:37:05,619 --> 01:37:08,923 'cause they rotate as they're moving. 2026 01:37:08,956 --> 01:37:11,091 - [Darcy] So what is it about this video 2027 01:37:11,125 --> 01:37:15,229 that, you know, through your research 2028 01:37:15,262 --> 01:37:20,334 and speaking to specialists that have analyzed it, 2029 01:37:20,367 --> 01:37:23,103 what sticks out right away 2030 01:37:23,137 --> 01:37:26,607 that makes it, you know, a home run? 2031 01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:28,209 - Well, number one is the fact 2032 01:37:28,242 --> 01:37:29,419 that these guys are trained observers. 2033 01:37:29,443 --> 01:37:31,679 Their job is to observe. 2034 01:37:31,712 --> 01:37:34,815 Their job is literally for surveillance. 2035 01:37:34,849 --> 01:37:37,117 So that they're out there every single day 2036 01:37:37,151 --> 01:37:39,687 and night looking for things, 2037 01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:42,990 smugglers, you know, illegal aliens. 2038 01:37:43,023 --> 01:37:45,025 Not those kind of aliens but the other aliens. 2039 01:37:45,059 --> 01:37:46,527 - [Darcy] Narcos. - Yeah, all that. 2040 01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:47,928 For them to see something 2041 01:37:47,962 --> 01:37:51,065 and not be able to identify it is a big deal 2042 01:37:51,098 --> 01:37:54,068 because their job is to identify. 2043 01:37:54,101 --> 01:37:56,604 That is literally what they're there to do, you understand? 2044 01:37:56,637 --> 01:37:59,006 So if they're seeing something that catches their attention 2045 01:37:59,039 --> 01:38:02,142 and they have no explanation for it, I mean, 2046 01:38:02,176 --> 01:38:05,079 for god's sakes, this guy filmed this for 40 minutes. 2047 01:38:05,112 --> 01:38:07,047 Why would you film something for 40 minutes 2048 01:38:07,081 --> 01:38:08,916 if you knew it was a balloon? 2049 01:38:08,949 --> 01:38:11,185 So right there, where you're looking at on the film, 2050 01:38:13,053 --> 01:38:14,798 yeah, I mean I can say it now because it's out there, 2051 01:38:14,822 --> 01:38:18,058 but the plane is actually not over US soil. 2052 01:38:18,592 --> 01:38:21,929 It was actually over Mexican. 2053 01:38:21,962 --> 01:38:24,064 The reason why they stopped filming was 2054 01:38:24,098 --> 01:38:27,034 because these planes are loaned out for a certain amount 2055 01:38:27,067 --> 01:38:29,503 of time and that timeframe was coming to an end 2056 01:38:29,536 --> 01:38:30,804 so that's the reason 2057 01:38:30,838 --> 01:38:32,806 why they ended up abandoning the object 2058 01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:34,475 because they had to go back to- 2059 01:38:34,508 --> 01:38:35,976 - [Darcy] Refuel. 2060 01:38:36,010 --> 01:38:38,445 - [Andy] Yeah or to, you know, loan the plane out 2061 01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:40,848 to whoever else that was gonna get it next or whatever 2062 01:38:40,881 --> 01:38:43,017 but their time with the plane was over, 2063 01:38:43,050 --> 01:38:44,885 which is why the footage ended. 2064 01:38:44,919 --> 01:38:46,654 But at that time, the object was still 2065 01:38:46,687 --> 01:38:49,023 traveling in its direction. 2066 01:38:49,056 --> 01:38:51,025 They just abandoned the footage because of that. 2067 01:38:51,058 --> 01:38:54,328 - [Darcy] Was it circling the same area? 2068 01:38:54,361 --> 01:38:59,033 - No, the object was actually traveling in a linear fashion. 2069 01:38:59,066 --> 01:39:02,269 - [Darcy] And so they obviously thought it was like a 2070 01:39:02,303 --> 01:39:04,171 narco craft or something at first. 2071 01:39:04,204 --> 01:39:06,373 That's why they were interested in it. 2072 01:39:06,407 --> 01:39:09,810 - Well, at first the way the object appeared, 2073 01:39:09,843 --> 01:39:12,446 where they were panning the landscape 2074 01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:15,049 and then all of a sudden it came into view, it flew 2075 01:39:15,082 --> 01:39:18,252 into view and that's what caught their attention. 2076 01:39:18,285 --> 01:39:21,055 But one thing I wanna mention is that this was filmed 2077 01:39:21,088 --> 01:39:23,590 in black hot mode, which means 2078 01:39:23,624 --> 01:39:25,092 that the object you're looking 2079 01:39:25,125 --> 01:39:27,494 at is actually emitting no heat whatsoever. 2080 01:39:27,528 --> 01:39:29,964 So that's another thing 2081 01:39:29,997 --> 01:39:31,999 that caught their attention is the fact 2082 01:39:32,032 --> 01:39:35,002 that this thing is in flight and it's moving, orbiting 2083 01:39:35,035 --> 01:39:37,137 and it's emitting zero heat. 2084 01:39:37,171 --> 01:39:39,907 There's no indication that this has any kind of propellers, 2085 01:39:39,940 --> 01:39:41,675 or propulsion or anything. 2086 01:39:41,709 --> 01:39:43,043 That was another reason 2087 01:39:43,077 --> 01:39:45,379 why they were, you know, perplexed at what it was, 2088 01:39:45,412 --> 01:39:47,915 because this thing is moving with no signs 2089 01:39:47,948 --> 01:39:50,784 of any kind of propulsion whatsoever. 2090 01:39:50,818 --> 01:39:53,420 - [Darcy] And it couldn't be a balloon 2091 01:39:53,454 --> 01:39:56,690 because it's going against the wind or something like that. 2092 01:39:56,724 --> 01:39:58,792 - No, so it couldn't be a balloon 2093 01:39:58,826 --> 01:40:03,864 because I actually know an individual named David Falch 2094 01:40:04,331 --> 01:40:07,234 who's a 20 plus year FLIR expert. 2095 01:40:07,267 --> 01:40:09,870 He works on them and repairs them. 2096 01:40:09,903 --> 01:40:12,172 He did experiments with different types 2097 01:40:12,206 --> 01:40:15,009 of balloons under FLIR to show 2098 01:40:15,042 --> 01:40:17,678 what they look like, identify, 2099 01:40:17,711 --> 01:40:21,915 and basically assist in the debunking of that theory. 2100 01:40:21,949 --> 01:40:26,553 And due to those experiments, they were able 2101 01:40:26,587 --> 01:40:29,089 to confirm and come to the conclusion 2102 01:40:29,123 --> 01:40:31,258 that there was no balloon, this had nothing 2103 01:40:31,291 --> 01:40:32,826 to do with balloons. 2104 01:40:32,860 --> 01:40:34,862 There was no latex balloon attached 2105 01:40:34,895 --> 01:40:36,930 to a string like a certain individual 2106 01:40:36,964 --> 01:40:38,899 I'm not gonna name was mentioning. 2107 01:40:38,932 --> 01:40:39,976 For example, they were saying 2108 01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:42,703 it was parachute dropping drugs. 2109 01:40:42,736 --> 01:40:45,939 Okay, so did you recover it? Why didn't they recover it? 2110 01:40:45,973 --> 01:40:49,176 You know, if it was that easily identifiable, 2111 01:40:49,209 --> 01:40:54,314 this would not be shown to all agents in the office 2112 01:40:54,348 --> 01:40:56,026 as an anomalous trying to figure out what it was 2113 01:40:56,050 --> 01:40:58,218 'cause they would've already known. 2114 01:40:58,252 --> 01:41:00,587 They would've been able to identify when they went 2115 01:41:00,621 --> 01:41:03,257 and picked up the package from the ground after it dropped. 2116 01:41:03,290 --> 01:41:07,061 But this thing stood where it was at without dropping. 2117 01:41:07,094 --> 01:41:09,029 It did not lower in elevation. 2118 01:41:09,063 --> 01:41:10,931 It stood literally where it was traveling 2119 01:41:10,964 --> 01:41:12,266 at the speed it was traveling. 2120 01:41:12,299 --> 01:41:14,134 So I mean, it's clear as day 2121 01:41:14,168 --> 01:41:18,238 that there is nothing about the object 2122 01:41:18,272 --> 01:41:20,941 that is legitimately explainable 2123 01:41:20,974 --> 01:41:23,243 where you could say, yes, this was a drone, 2124 01:41:23,277 --> 01:41:25,646 or yes, this was a balloon, or yes, this was th. 2125 01:41:25,679 --> 01:41:27,848 It's none of those things 2126 01:41:27,881 --> 01:41:32,186 but because you just can't satisfy everyone, this is 2127 01:41:32,219 --> 01:41:33,520 why I say, no matter 2128 01:41:33,554 --> 01:41:34,488 how good the evidence is, someone's going 2129 01:41:34,521 --> 01:41:35,856 to tell you it's a balloon, 2130 01:41:35,889 --> 01:41:38,292 someone's gonna tell you it's a bird. 2131 01:41:38,325 --> 01:41:41,895 You know, that was the route I took because I understood 2132 01:41:41,929 --> 01:41:44,698 that what I had was important 2133 01:41:44,731 --> 01:41:47,401 and that it needed to be properly analyzed 2134 01:41:47,434 --> 01:41:49,470 before being put out there 2135 01:41:49,503 --> 01:41:51,805 so that way there was no, well, at least 2136 01:41:51,839 --> 01:41:54,508 what I thought was there was gonna be no scrutiny. 2137 01:41:54,541 --> 01:41:57,778 And, you know, you have some scientific backing to it 2138 01:41:57,811 --> 01:42:00,747 to avoid all the trolls and all that negativity 2139 01:42:00,781 --> 01:42:02,916 but unfortunately it didn't turn out that way. 2140 01:42:02,950 --> 01:42:03,750 - [Darcy] That's just the community. 2141 01:42:03,784 --> 01:42:05,119 - [Andy] Yeah. 2142 01:42:05,152 --> 01:42:05,886 - [Darcy] It's the nature of the community. 2143 01:42:05,919 --> 01:42:07,754 - [Andy] I know. 2144 01:42:07,788 --> 01:42:11,892 - [Darcy] So then once SCU, this individual took the proper 2145 01:42:11,925 --> 01:42:15,362 time to analyze it and say, okay, this is not a bug, 2146 01:42:15,395 --> 01:42:18,432 it's not a bird, it's not a balloon, you release it 2147 01:42:18,465 --> 01:42:20,601 to YouTube and it accumulates 2148 01:42:20,634 --> 01:42:25,739 around like 300,000 plus views. 2149 01:42:25,772 --> 01:42:28,642 - Yeah, actually the first time anything I ever put 2150 01:42:28,675 --> 01:42:32,246 out went viral, like legitimately went viral. 2151 01:42:32,279 --> 01:42:36,283 I had people from all over the world messaging me. 2152 01:42:36,316 --> 01:42:38,485 Matter of fact, I even had Robert Salas reach out to me 2153 01:42:38,519 --> 01:42:41,421 and thank me for releasing the videos 2154 01:42:41,455 --> 01:42:46,293 and you know, I mean some very high individuals reaching out 2155 01:42:46,326 --> 01:42:49,396 to me, telling me, thank you and privately. 2156 01:42:49,429 --> 01:42:54,835 But then I had unfortunately more negativity than positivity 2157 01:42:55,135 --> 01:42:58,939 because unfortunately, you know, it's just like 2158 01:42:58,972 --> 01:43:04,878 when it comes to this subject, no amount of proof whether 2159 01:43:05,145 --> 01:43:07,247 how authentic or genuine it is is ever good enough 2160 01:43:07,281 --> 01:43:08,882 for anybody, you know. 2161 01:43:08,916 --> 01:43:09,926 - [Darcy] Especially the debunkers. 2162 01:43:09,950 --> 01:43:11,552 - Especially the debunkers. 2163 01:43:11,585 --> 01:43:14,488 And, you know, they wanna see, you know, ET mooning you 2164 01:43:14,521 --> 01:43:16,256 through the window of the UFO 2165 01:43:16,290 --> 01:43:18,301 in order for them to say, oh, that's real, you know. 2166 01:43:18,325 --> 01:43:19,826 But what they don't understand is 2167 01:43:19,860 --> 01:43:21,604 that's not what they're gonna get, you understand, 2168 01:43:21,628 --> 01:43:23,897 especially not in this manner. 2169 01:43:23,931 --> 01:43:27,634 This is the best that's come out in my opinion so far 2170 01:43:27,668 --> 01:43:31,605 since all of this started, you know, becoming mainstream. 2171 01:43:31,638 --> 01:43:35,242 You know, there's no other video out there still to this day 2172 01:43:35,275 --> 01:43:38,779 that's come out in its entirety in this way. 2173 01:43:38,812 --> 01:43:41,782 You have the Tic-Tac, which just shows a spot in the screen 2174 01:43:41,815 --> 01:43:44,418 and people speaking and, you know, the pilot speaking. 2175 01:43:44,451 --> 01:43:47,688 The GoFast, which is another dot moving 2176 01:43:47,721 --> 01:43:50,657 and the pilot speaking, nothing really crazy, you know. 2177 01:43:50,691 --> 01:43:53,594 - Very under the radar release of some videos 2178 01:43:53,627 --> 01:43:56,029 and documents with no explanation. 2179 01:43:56,063 --> 01:43:58,932 All of a sudden Customs and Border Patrol has released 10 2180 01:43:58,966 --> 01:44:01,435 videos from what looks like forward-looking infrared cameras 2181 01:44:01,468 --> 01:44:04,605 from different incidents and an odd 380 some pages 2182 01:44:04,638 --> 01:44:07,040 of reports, news clippings and email. 2183 01:44:07,074 --> 01:44:08,484 - What you're looking at is anomalous. 2184 01:44:08,508 --> 01:44:10,777 It's not something of ours. 2185 01:44:10,811 --> 01:44:12,455 It's not some kind of technology that we have 2186 01:44:12,479 --> 01:44:15,382 that is actually exotic. 2187 01:44:15,415 --> 01:44:19,353 It's, you know, a UFO, a real legitimate object, you know. 2188 01:44:19,386 --> 01:44:21,855 - [Darcy] Possibly non-human. - Positive non-human, yes. 2189 01:44:21,888 --> 01:44:24,524 - Do you think, you know, we're gonna go a little bit 2190 01:44:24,558 --> 01:44:27,694 farfetched now, and I know that you're very professional 2191 01:44:27,728 --> 01:44:29,272 and you're trying to keep within the information 2192 01:44:29,296 --> 01:44:31,365 that you know of, you don't want to- 2193 01:44:31,398 --> 01:44:32,733 - [Andy] Speculate. 2194 01:44:32,766 --> 01:44:34,801 - Go crazy with speculation, right? 2195 01:44:34,835 --> 01:44:36,069 But just a little bit 2196 01:44:36,103 --> 01:44:39,740 of healthy speculation, you know, is warranted I'd say. 2197 01:44:39,773 --> 01:44:42,876 Do you think that it's possible 2198 01:44:42,909 --> 01:44:46,580 that these objects, these drone like spheres 2199 01:44:46,613 --> 01:44:51,852 or Tic-Tac UFOs might be originating 2200 01:44:51,885 --> 01:44:55,455 from an ocean based object 2201 01:44:55,489 --> 01:44:58,558 or structure that's maybe deep ocean? 2202 01:44:58,592 --> 01:45:00,927 - Right, so this is exactly a possibility. 2203 01:45:00,961 --> 01:45:03,530 After hearing what Dave Grusch has come out with 2204 01:45:03,563 --> 01:45:08,602 and the observations of Ryan Graves at the hearing 2205 01:45:08,635 --> 01:45:11,505 as well as David Fravor, we really can't rule anything out. 2206 01:45:11,538 --> 01:45:13,407 Of course, there's no proof right now of that, 2207 01:45:13,440 --> 01:45:15,776 but they're coming from somewhere 2208 01:45:15,809 --> 01:45:17,720 that we don't know how they're doing what they're doing 2209 01:45:17,744 --> 01:45:19,379 and we don't know their intentions. 2210 01:45:19,413 --> 01:45:23,850 So all I can say is this deserves significant amount 2211 01:45:23,884 --> 01:45:25,952 of study of our oceans 2212 01:45:25,986 --> 01:45:28,822 and that that's what I'm pursuing right now. 2213 01:45:28,855 --> 01:45:31,725 - Great. Why don't you talk about that then? 2214 01:45:31,758 --> 01:45:34,695 Tell me a bit about your study of the ocean. 2215 01:45:34,728 --> 01:45:36,396 I mean, you worked for NOAA as well. 2216 01:45:36,430 --> 01:45:39,366 You're chief meteorologist 2217 01:45:39,399 --> 01:45:43,170 for the Navy during these times of exercise 2218 01:45:43,203 --> 01:45:46,940 where they saw UAP over the oceans. 2219 01:45:48,141 --> 01:45:52,612 What are you pursuing right now in terms of trying 2220 01:45:52,646 --> 01:45:56,149 to, you know, solve this mystery? 2221 01:45:56,183 --> 01:45:57,584 - So a couple things. 2222 01:45:57,617 --> 01:45:59,786 First off, I was the chief oceanographer 2223 01:45:59,820 --> 01:46:04,157 of the US Navy also, and I have a PhD 2224 01:46:04,191 --> 01:46:06,593 in oceanography from Scripps Institution of Oceanography. 2225 01:46:06,626 --> 01:46:10,931 So this is my career, studying the oceans. 2226 01:46:10,964 --> 01:46:15,102 And so before I get to that answer, let me go back 2227 01:46:15,135 --> 01:46:17,003 to your previous question about 2228 01:46:17,037 --> 01:46:19,506 under sea infrastructure, if you want to call it that. 2229 01:46:19,539 --> 01:46:20,979 So of course I've thought about that. 2230 01:46:21,007 --> 01:46:23,977 There's been some wild speculation about something 2231 01:46:24,010 --> 01:46:26,646 in the Catalina Island area of Southern California. 2232 01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:30,384 And knowing that, knowing there has been observations 2233 01:46:30,417 --> 01:46:36,456 of UAP going transmedium from air to the ocean and back 2234 01:46:37,391 --> 01:46:40,127 from the USS Omaha, for example. 2235 01:46:41,128 --> 01:46:43,563 I had an opportunity. 2236 01:46:43,597 --> 01:46:46,967 When I was with NOAA, I signed an agreement 2237 01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:50,737 with a remarkable individual named Victor Vescovo. 2238 01:46:50,771 --> 01:46:53,473 Victor is a retired Navy Reserve commander 2239 01:46:53,507 --> 01:46:55,675 in the intelligence field. 2240 01:46:55,709 --> 01:46:58,845 And his day job was a private equity investor 2241 01:46:58,879 --> 01:47:00,847 and he made quite a bit of money. 2242 01:47:00,881 --> 01:47:03,850 And what he did, he's an explorer by nature, 2243 01:47:03,884 --> 01:47:08,789 he has been awarded the Explorers Grand Slam, 2244 01:47:08,822 --> 01:47:11,758 which is climbing the seven highest peaks 2245 01:47:11,792 --> 01:47:14,861 in the world's continents, including Everest 2246 01:47:14,895 --> 01:47:17,564 and skiing to the North Pole and the South Pole. 2247 01:47:17,597 --> 01:47:20,734 And so if that wasn't enough, 2248 01:47:20,767 --> 01:47:24,538 Victor found out about the lack of knowledge 2249 01:47:24,571 --> 01:47:26,373 of the oceans and that we've really not, 2250 01:47:26,406 --> 01:47:29,009 we know the surface of Mars and the moon 2251 01:47:29,042 --> 01:47:30,887 to a higher resolution than we know the sea floor 2252 01:47:30,911 --> 01:47:32,679 of our world oceans. 2253 01:47:32,712 --> 01:47:36,116 And so he decided to fund his own expedition 2254 01:47:36,149 --> 01:47:39,786 where he dived in a human operated submersible 2255 01:47:39,820 --> 01:47:42,489 to the deepest trenches in the five oceans, 2256 01:47:42,522 --> 01:47:46,827 seven miles down, 35,000 feet, over 10,000 meters 2257 01:47:46,860 --> 01:47:50,130 and he did that 15 times, remarkable individual. 2258 01:47:50,163 --> 01:47:51,465 I signed an agreement with him 2259 01:47:51,498 --> 01:47:53,867 because he was collecting some great ocean data. 2260 01:47:53,900 --> 01:47:57,337 He was using a ship to map using a multi-beam sonar 2261 01:47:57,370 --> 01:47:59,906 and this was my job at NOAA is 2262 01:47:59,940 --> 01:48:01,942 to ensure we were mapping more of our ocean, 2263 01:48:01,975 --> 01:48:05,145 at least the US part of it, the exclusive economic zone. 2264 01:48:05,178 --> 01:48:08,682 So Victor and I signed this agreement and we stayed 2265 01:48:08,715 --> 01:48:11,718 in touch after I left the government in 2021 2266 01:48:11,751 --> 01:48:15,355 and at the end of that year, he told me he was gonna 2267 01:48:15,388 --> 01:48:17,357 do a shakedown cruise with his ship 2268 01:48:17,390 --> 01:48:18,925 after it got installed 2269 01:48:18,959 --> 01:48:21,561 with a new multi-beam sonar, the latest and greatest 2270 01:48:21,595 --> 01:48:24,731 and he was going to do that in Southern California. 2271 01:48:24,764 --> 01:48:27,801 So I asked him, "Hey, I have some coordinates 2272 01:48:27,834 --> 01:48:30,170 for you to look at, would you mind going after them?" 2273 01:48:30,203 --> 01:48:31,137 And he did. 2274 01:48:31,171 --> 01:48:32,472 - [Rob] Could the answer 2275 01:48:32,506 --> 01:48:34,674 to these unidentified flying objects rest here 2276 01:48:36,977 --> 01:48:39,279 deep under the waters off Point Dume. 2277 01:48:39,312 --> 01:48:41,581 - Oh, interesting. 2278 01:48:41,615 --> 01:48:43,493 - [Rob] Well, from above, this may look like every 2279 01:48:43,517 --> 01:48:46,419 other patch of ocean off the California coast, 2280 01:48:46,453 --> 01:48:49,222 but thanks to Google Earth, which uses satellite images 2281 01:48:49,256 --> 01:48:53,293 to look underwater, another mystery is surfacing. 2282 01:48:53,326 --> 01:48:55,795 - So this could be the most important discovery for us 2283 01:48:55,829 --> 01:48:58,598 in two and a half decades. 2284 01:48:58,632 --> 01:49:00,267 - And so there are certain areas 2285 01:49:00,300 --> 01:49:01,444 where the UAP activity has been, 2286 01:49:01,468 --> 01:49:02,736 and I asked 'em to go survey 2287 01:49:02,769 --> 01:49:05,705 and look for that evidence of something. 2288 01:49:05,739 --> 01:49:08,475 And interestingly, there is one area 2289 01:49:08,508 --> 01:49:11,778 that is very interesting. 2290 01:49:11,811 --> 01:49:14,881 There's a part of a ridge in between Catalina 2291 01:49:14,915 --> 01:49:20,120 and the shore of Southern California, Long Beach 2292 01:49:20,921 --> 01:49:23,690 that looks like a big chunk of the ridge was carved out 2293 01:49:23,723 --> 01:49:26,293 and horizontally displaced. 2294 01:49:26,326 --> 01:49:29,996 And it doesn't look like it was a natural debris flow. 2295 01:49:30,030 --> 01:49:35,168 So I've passed it to some leading geologists 2296 01:49:35,201 --> 01:49:37,871 and ocean bathymetry experts 2297 01:49:37,904 --> 01:49:41,541 and they're not sure how it was created or formed. 2298 01:49:41,575 --> 01:49:44,210 And so my next step is to work with Scripps 2299 01:49:44,244 --> 01:49:46,479 or somebody and get an ROV 2300 01:49:46,513 --> 01:49:48,615 and obtain some image, optical imagery 2301 01:49:48,648 --> 01:49:52,852 and video of this area just to look. 2302 01:49:52,886 --> 01:49:55,922 And that's the kind of things systematic study 2303 01:49:55,956 --> 01:49:57,857 that needs to be done in our oceans 2304 01:49:57,891 --> 01:50:00,760 to really understand what these objects are, 2305 01:50:00,794 --> 01:50:03,897 just like the Harvard's Galileo project is doing 2306 01:50:03,930 --> 01:50:06,399 for anomalous phenomena in the atmosphere. 2307 01:50:06,433 --> 01:50:08,468 - [Person] There is, in my view, 2308 01:50:08,501 --> 01:50:11,504 based on the data of USO activity, 2309 01:50:11,538 --> 01:50:13,773 there is a very good reason to believe 2310 01:50:13,807 --> 01:50:16,543 that there are multiple undersea bases 2311 01:50:16,576 --> 01:50:18,878 that these things operate out of, yes. 2312 01:50:20,780 --> 01:50:22,949 And some of them would be, 2313 01:50:22,983 --> 01:50:24,818 but definitely off the coast of South America, 2314 01:50:24,851 --> 01:50:25,995 on the Atlantic side, I don't think 2315 01:50:26,019 --> 01:50:27,196 there's any question in my mind. 2316 01:50:27,220 --> 01:50:30,090 There's been too many of those types of cases. 2317 01:50:30,123 --> 01:50:31,767 Probably on the other side of South America too. 2318 01:50:31,791 --> 01:50:33,860 That's a big area of US sub activities, 2319 01:50:33,893 --> 01:50:36,563 at least having been recorded, yes. 2320 01:50:36,596 --> 01:50:41,401 Also the Atlantic and the Northern Pacific. 2321 01:50:42,168 --> 01:50:46,973 I don't think there's a region where it's unlikely 2322 01:50:47,007 --> 01:50:49,409 that there's a base under the water somewhere. 2323 01:50:49,442 --> 01:50:53,780 There's Ukrainian and Russian researchers 15 years ago 2324 01:50:53,813 --> 01:50:55,615 were talking about their strong belief 2325 01:50:55,649 --> 01:50:58,318 of a base near the center of the Black Sea. 2326 01:50:59,519 --> 01:51:03,790 So I think these things are and can be almost anywhere. 2327 01:51:04,791 --> 01:51:07,227 I listened to researchers discussing the possibility 2328 01:51:07,260 --> 01:51:10,830 of the base off the Bay of Bisque, off the coast of France. 2329 01:51:10,864 --> 01:51:14,000 I think these can be in many, many areas. 2330 01:51:15,869 --> 01:51:19,406 So you're talking about a global presence. 2331 01:51:20,140 --> 01:51:23,777 What are they doing? What's going on? 2332 01:51:23,810 --> 01:51:26,813 (upbeat electronic music) 2333 01:51:30,083 --> 01:51:34,154 (person speaking indistinctly over radio) 2334 01:51:35,622 --> 01:51:36,289 - [Person] There's a whole fleet of them. 2335 01:51:36,322 --> 01:51:38,425 Look on the ASA. 2336 01:51:38,458 --> 01:51:41,161 - [Person 2] My God. 2337 01:51:41,194 --> 01:51:42,662 They're all going against the wind, 2338 01:51:42,696 --> 01:51:47,600 but that's 120,000 (indistinct). 2339 01:51:47,634 --> 01:51:49,102 - [Person] Look at that thing! 2340 01:52:10,824 --> 01:52:14,260 (upbeat electronic music continues) 2341 01:52:32,946 --> 01:52:36,382 (upbeat electronic music continues)